Final game for Bell

[dominguez]

I'm confused.

Belly and FFC have a contract to the end of 2008 for Belly to play and FFC to pay him XXXXXX dollars for doing that. My view if Belly pulls the pin, he will not play in 2008 thus he does not fulfill his side of the contract, thus FFC doesn't pay any money.

Put simply, if a player wants the money, he must play.

Love Belly, he is an inspiration to all us semi talented sportsmen, guts and determination goes along way.

I get your point and agree with you, but that isn't the rule.

I'm only guessing here, but maybe Bell retires citing injuries sustained at work as the reason that he is unable to fulfill his side of the agreement. Apparently ongoing groin soreness has played a part in his decision. The clubs not going to sue Peter Bell for breach of contract.

 

[murphy_28]

Bell's salary will only be included in the salary next year if it is a "back-ended" salary like Michael Voss's. That is, if he was underpaid in his first few years of his contract, to get a significantly larger payment in his last year of his contract. For example if he had a $1.5m contract over 3 years, and he received $300,000 in each of the first 2 years, he would be entitled to $400,000 from the club next year.

 

[Plugga]

Going to be a HUGE loss!

If Hasleby goes...there will be a whole new midfield.

 

[dominguez]

Going to be a HUGE loss!

If Hasleby goes...there will be a whole new midfield.

Hasleby won't go anywhere. His manager is sniffing around because he wants $450,000-$500,000 a year. No rival club will pay that, along with a first round pick to secure his signature. Macca was rumoured to be going to the eagles 4 or 5 years ago.

It's a massive summer for Hasleby, apparently he is really excited that he doesn't need any operations this year.

 

[jom09]

Has had a fantastic year, and a fantatsic career. If he does retire, will bow out while still at the top of his game.

 

[Goal Square]

I shouldn't be saying this but I can't hold it in any longer. I know Peter's brother and yes, he will retire this weekend. The family is flying over to see Peter play his last game so I hope the boys can pull off a win for him. I'm gonna miss the little dude so much, he has been a true inspiration to our side and he is still playing brilliant football. This will be a massive loss for us.

What? I'm Peter Bell's brother...


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[theGav56]

I'm sure Schwab is licking his lips thinking up trade targets already.

Like getting Palmer or Masten back. But that would be bad right, because it would be "trading away draft picks", and not "developing our own"? Like we did with Bell, Carr and Headland.

 

[theGav56]

I'm only guessing here, but maybe Bell retires citing injuries sustained at work as the reason that he is unable to fulfill his side of the agreement. Apparently ongoing groin soreness has played a part in his decision. The clubs not going to sue Peter Bell for breach of contract.

The clubs insurance would require a medical report citing his injuries. Or at least a note from his Mum.

To be honest I'm not sure what the requirement is, but if somone doesn't fulfil their contract they should not need to be paid for it. That is seperate from salary cap issues, which i understand remain the same as his contract has to be lodged with the AFL.

 

[Geoff]

Where's his holyness "The Pope" when you need him? He will have the answers just bide your time and all this contractual stuff will be explained. "Where are you "Your Holyness".

 

[Obeanie1]

I will admitt there is a handful of players at Freo I do not like but I have the utmost respect for Peter Bell and what he has done on and off the field both at Freo and the Roos.

Bell is a pint sized battleship who's passion for the game, his club and team mates is up there with the likes or Hird and Archer in my view.

Fantistic career and good luck to him on the weekend and for the future.

PS Please win or a least make it damn close

 

[sumavich]

This is from the Advertiser today :

Do they all get their info from BigFooty ???

"But reports yesterday that Bell had organised his parents to attend a rare away match against the Power have all but confirmed it will be his last. "

 

[ThePope]

Where's his holyness "The Pope" when you need him? He will have the answers just bide your time and all this contractual stuff will be explained. "Where are you "Your Holyness".

I can't be certain, but from the aflpa CBA

Termination Payment
12.1 An AFL Club shall be entitled to apply to the AFL to delete a Player’s name from its List and by written notice to the Player in accordance with the contract, terminate the contract upon the Player being delisted. In such case, the contract shall be at an end provided that the AFL Club shall pay the Player by way of compensation:
(a) the balance of the base payment payable for the year in which the Player was delisted;
(b) Match payments calculated at the rate applicable to the relevant competition (AFL Senior or State Body equivalent) in which the Player last played, for the balance of the year in which the Player was delisted;
(c) where the Player’s contract had one or more further years to run, the base payment for each year following the year in which the Player was delisted;and
(d) where the Player’s contract had one or more further years to run, a further number of Match payments calculated at the rate applicable to the relevant competition in which the Player last played (in total not to exceed 22).
The obligation on the AFL Club to pay further base payments for the years
following delisting shall apply only in the case where a delisted Player had one or more years under his contract to run. In all cases where a Player was delisted in the final year of his contract, the Player shall be entitled to the balance of the base payment for the year in which he was delisted together with Match payments for Matches played for that year calculated at the rate applicable to the relevant competition (AFL or State Body) in which the Player last played with the AFL Club.
12.2 Subject to paragraph 12.4, in the calculation of the payment of termination benefits set out above, no account shall be taken of any further amount or amounts which the Player may receive as a consequence of re-employment by another AFL Club or any other Australian Football club.
12.3 The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to a Player:
(a) who, by his agreement, is involved in a pre-draft transfer between AFL
Clubs which results in a transfer and such Player being listed with the
transferee Club;
(b) who has retired;​

So no mention of the TPP in this section, and no mention of retiring players in the TPP section... only that if he retires, I don't think we have to pay him. But I'm not a lawyer (thank god), and Belly is, and he helped arrange the CBA, so I think you should ask him!

 

[hoogs]

Peter Bell

I'm surprised this isn't a hot topic on our board. Peter Bell retiring...

The rumours surrounding his departure are very strong, with a property investment group he is involved in exepcting and requiring that he retire from AFL footy at the end of this year. He hasn't had an interview all year and nothing has been said to counter strong media rumours. The signs aren't good.

Bell's form has been outstanding this year, as our 2nd highest possession winner and possibly our best Brownlow chance. With this in mind, how can he justify retiring when he has a year left on his contract, knowing that his contract will still be included in the TPP for 08. It is not a question of whether he has the passion to play on, rather how much money he will make.

With all the talk of loyalty at the club and everyones efforts to have Pavlich re-signed, it just seems plain wrong to leave for financial gain. If he honours his contract and gives us one more year of his brilliance, then he will be a club legend for a century, but if he leaves now he will lose a bucket load of respect. Especially if he retires 'after' playing his final game in front of his home crowd.

Play on Peter Bell. Show the loyalty.

 

[sonofswift]

Somebody should plead with that property investment group to give Bell another year so that he can have premierships from 2 different clubs. We need him more than they do.

 

[tjeuring]

I will admitt there is a handful of players at Freo I do not like but I have the utmost respect for Peter Bell and what he has done on and off the field both at Freo and the Roos.

Bell is a pint sized battleship who's passion for the game, his club and team mates is up there with the likes or Hird and Archer in my view.

Fantistic career and good luck to him on the weekend and for the future.

PS Please win or a least make it damn close

You just had to ruin what seemed like a good thread hey Obeanie. I knew there was have been an alterior motive!!!

Good luck to ya Belly, whatever you choose to do. I hope we win for him and the Fremantle Football Club, whichever way he chooses to go.

 

[Jetau]

No one has been able to answer this question:

"If Bell is going to retire, why wait until after our last home game to announce it?"

He should get a proper send-off, probably more for the sake of the fans than himself. I would have appreciated the opportunity to know that I was watching his last home game, if he is indeed retiring.

All of this suggests to me that he will play on in 2008 - at least I hope so.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Bell's salary will only be included in the salary next year if it is a "back-ended" salary like Michael Voss's. That is, if he was underpaid in his first few years of his contract, to get a significantly larger payment in his last year of his contract. For example if he had a $1.5m contract over 3 years, and he received $300,000 in each of the first 2 years, he would be entitled to $400,000 from the club next year.

that what I was going to bring up -you are correct!

Onto Bell, the guy's a champ and it will be sad to see him leave the game

The cavilcade in this years GF will last longer than the game by the looks of it!

 

[dominguez]

No one has been able to answer this question:

"If Bell is going to retire, why wait until after our last home game to announce it?"

He should get a proper send-off, probably more for the sake of the fans than himself. I would have appreciated the opportunity to know that I was watching his last home game, if he is indeed retiring.

All of this suggests to me that he will play on in 2008 - at least I hope so.

I'd say it's because he doesn't want to make a fuss or have people trying to change his mind. There might be a whisper from the club to journos an hour before this weeks game.

 

[The Night Shift]

Primed For Final Bell

Article from:

Primed for final bell
August 27, 2007

FREMANTLE'S desperate pleas to have club legend Peter Bell play on next season appear to have fallen on deaf ears.
Unless the Dockers can work a major miracle and sneak into the finals, it appears certain the little master will play his last AFL match against Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium on Saturday night.
Bell is contracted for one more season and showed again on Saturday why he is so valuable to the Dockers by stitching up another two or three Brownlow votes in Freo's 59-point win over Melbourne.
Exacting a James Hird-like influence around the contested ball, the midfield-forward had 31 possessions and was again the man to spark the Dockers after a slow start. Bell, who won two flags at the Kangaroos before switching back home to Fremantle in 2001, will finish top-three in the Dockers' best and fairest as one of the club's few standout performers this season. Fremantle officials are understood to have tried desperately to get Bell, 31, to play on next year.
But reports yesterday that Bell had organised his parents to attend a rare away match against the Power have all but confirmed it will be his last.
If this is the case, Bell strangely would have denied the chance to say goodbye to his home Subiaco Oval crowd, as retiring veterans Troy Cook and Shane Parker did with a lap of honour after the win on Saturday.

 

[kranger]

Re: Primed For Final Bell

if belly does retire then every supporter has to flock to the airport when freo arrives back in perth, win or lose just to say farewell to belly.

 

[kranger]

if it is confirmed that bell retires we all have to mob the airport when the boys get back from adelaide to send off belly.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Re: Primed For Final Bell

Or Just remember that the reason he is leaving is because of commitments to Seascreat Property Development.

There are plenty of other developers out there, and as such the blame can and should be placed upon them...If they were as gun hoe about the publicity that they would recieve form Belly's profile, then really they should have considered the resulting backlash that would be recieved form his removal form the Fremantle Football Club, the resulting bad publicity that will be caused by this information, well...you don't have to be a genius as to say who's fault it is.

What kind of Publicity dorngo would try to raise the profile unnashedmedly of a company with an Icon in the footballing community who is revered and adored by a public, yet then, in the blibk of an eye....remove him and not allow him to not only honour his contract which is still valid until 2008, but will be willing for him to go back on that in favour of some other venture(says alot about the company in my opinion) but also the whole public's perception.

To you people at Seacrest....remember this.....wouldn't it be better next year when instead of just haveing 'AFL Player' you could instead have 'Premiership Player'.....huh?

Seacrest.....I will never be involved in any of your ventures if you take Belly away form us.....and i'm sure that i'm not alone......think about it

M@

 

[Geoff]

I can't be certain, but from the aflpa CBA

Termination Payment
12.1 An AFL Club shall be entitled to apply to the AFL to delete a Player’s name from its List and by written notice to the Player in accordance with the contract, terminate the contract upon the Player being delisted. In such case, the contract shall be at an end provided that the AFL Club shall pay the Player by way of compensation:
(a) the balance of the base payment payable for the year in which the Player was delisted;
(b) Match payments calculated at the rate applicable to the relevant competition (AFL Senior or State Body equivalent) in which the Player last played, for the balance of the year in which the Player was delisted;
(c) where the Player’s contract had one or more further years to run, the base payment for each year following the year in which the Player was delisted;and
(d) where the Player’s contract had one or more further years to run, a further number of Match payments calculated at the rate applicable to the relevant competition in which the Player last played (in total not to exceed 22).
The obligation on the AFL Club to pay further base payments for the years
following delisting shall apply only in the case where a delisted Player had one or more years under his contract to run. In all cases where a Player was delisted in the final year of his contract, the Player shall be entitled to the balance of the base payment for the year in which he was delisted together with Match payments for Matches played for that year calculated at the rate applicable to the relevant competition (AFL or State Body) in which the Player last played with the AFL Club.
12.2 Subject to paragraph 12.4, in the calculation of the payment of termination benefits set out above, no account shall be taken of any further amount or amounts which the Player may receive as a consequence of re-employment by another AFL Club or any other Australian Football club.
12.3 The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to a Player:
(a) who, by his agreement, is involved in a pre-draft transfer between AFL
Clubs which results in a transfer and such Player being listed with the
transferee Club;
(b) who has retired;​

So no mention of the TPP in this section, and no mention of retiring players in the TPP section... only that if he retires, I don't think we have to pay him. But I'm not a lawyer (thank god), and Belly is, and he helped arrange the CBA, so I think you should ask him!

Your wisdom is once again appreciated your Holyness !!

 

[Obeanie1]

You just had to ruin what seemed like a good thread hey Obeanie. I knew there was have been an alterior motive!!!

Good luck to ya Belly, whatever you choose to do. I hope we win for him and the Fremantle Football Club, whichever way he chooses to go.

Hey I was being 100% sincere in my appreciation of what Bell has done over his career.

And yes I was also being honest, I'd love you mob to win cos it helps my team. The two were not related

I know we like playing word games and taking the mickie out of each other but Peter Bell has had a fantastic career and from what I know / have seen is a top bloke. The competition will always be at a loss when players of Bell's / Hird's / Archer's calabre retire.

 

[dart]

so any more news on this?. ..


you know if it was some eagles player it would be front & back page news, whether the player wanted it or not.