Finally Roos is publically saying what we all think.

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Finally Paul Roos has come out and said how bad our kicking is. In the Melbourne Sun he said "we need to weed out players who lack the necessary skills for modern football."

Well Roosy, if that was to happen, I reckon we would lose nearly half the side. Look, our guts and determination are fantastic but kicking for goal, handball decisions and our whole forward structure makes us look very bad indeed.

As for the goal kicking, exactly the same thing was being said in this forum this time last year, too many easy misses that are costing us games.And it was generally the same offenders as now. Who's to blame here, the players or the coaching staff for not recognising and addressing the problem sooner? It is becoming almost too frustrating to watch.
 

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I just want to know how often we practice goal kicking.

I think there's a difference between the disposal issue and the goal kicking issue. When we play well, our disposal is usually pretty good. However, even when we play well, our goal kicking still let's us down a lot. Look at our accuracy so far this year:

Round 1 - 31%

Round 2 - 61%

Round 3 - 56%

Round 4 - 59%

Round 5 - 45%

Round 6 - 33%

Round 7 - 58%

The ones in bold are where we won. Even then, those are not acceptable.

Like I said earlier, the players should not be getting time off this week. It should be a goal kicking week. Get someone in who knows what they're talking about. By the end of the week every single player should have their own goal kicking routine that they stick to every time they take a set shot. It's not a difficult concept.
 

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Where's PLUGGER 1500 reasons why he should be the MAN
But Plugger is a antisocial bastard and as far as i know has had very little to do with anything Aussie Rules since his retirement. It would be nice to have him as our kicking coach but i think he is happy on his farm in the middle of whoop whoop.
 

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I just want to know how often we practice goal kicking.

I think there's a difference between the disposal issue and the goal kicking issue. When we play well, our disposal is usually pretty good. However, even when we play well, our goal kicking still let's us down a lot. Look at our accuracy so far this year:

Round 1 - 31%

Round 2 - 61%

Round 3 - 56%

Round 4 - 59%

Round 5 - 45%

Round 6 - 33%

Round 7 - 58%

The ones in bold are where we won. Even then, those are not acceptable.

Like I said earlier, the players should not be getting time off this week. It should be a goal kicking week. Get someone in who knows what they're talking about. By the end of the week every single player should have their own goal kicking routine that they stick to every time they take a set shot. It's not a difficult concept.
Those are really poor kick stats.

And I agree, after reading the papers yesterday morning, I was quite stunned with the way Roos "bagged" some of our players, though I couldn't agree more. I was sick and tired with his "Yeah well, the boys can work it out during the week. Or, saying something how we all generally used the ball inefficiently". Liking the fact how he's now mentioning targeting not only those who don't 'deserve' to be in the team, but the 'older players' as well.

Its confrontational, but it could just be the thing we need in order to get ourselves out of this hole. Now I've just gotta wait and see the changes for the next game against Essendon.
 

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I really can't believe how far we have deteorated in that aspect of our game i remember us being renowned for our goal kicking accuracy a few seasons back did something change? i can't remember if we had a goal kicking coach or assistant back then.

As for Plugger i share the opinion of RUNVS i don't understand why he seems so distant from the Swans FC his resources could be so useful to us right now :(.
 

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Our goal kicking has been costing us an average 2 or 3 ladder positions a season for years now. Even our Premiership had to be done in probably the hardest round about route I've ever seen from a Premier because of it.

The main difference between the Dogs and us on the weekend was the pressure on the kicker. Those Doggies could relax and have a ping in the knowledge that others would put their hand up and kick acurrately if they missed. Our players meanwhile had the weight of the entire game on their shoulders with each "desperately needed" goal attempt, and it took its toll on even veteran pressure kickers like MOL and ROK.

It would be nice if we realised this at some point and did something about it.
 

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John Longmire (asst. coach) was a pretty handy full forward at the kangaroos before he retired, pretty accurate from memory. Perhaps he could undertake a goal kicking coaching role if he hasn't already.
 

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John Longmire (asst. coach) was a pretty handy full forward at the kangaroos before he retired, pretty accurate from memory. Perhaps he could undertake a goal kicking coaching role if he hasn't already.
If im not mistaken he began the job at the swans as a forward coach and now is working with the midfielders or backline. I could be wrong though.
We also have brett allison who was handy as well.
 

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I can't really talk from the sharp angles and long range, but 0-40 metres out, anywhere in the 45-55 degree arc from the middle of the goal line, head over the ball, guide with the dropping hand, follow through to where you're aiming. How do you mess that up 10+ times in a match?
 

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Finally Paul Roos has come out and said how bad our kicking is. In the Melbourne Sun he said "we need to weed out players who lack the necessary skills for modern football."

Well Roosy, if that was to happen, I reckon we would lose nearly half the side. Look, our guts and determination are fantastic but kicking for goal, handball decisions and our whole forward structure makes us look very bad indeed.

As for the goal kicking, exactly the same thing was being said in this forum this time last year, too many easy misses that are costing us games.And it was generally the same offenders as now. Who's to blame here, the players or the coaching staff for not recognising and addressing the problem sooner? It is becoming almost too frustrating to watch.
Then why the hell did you pick up Henry Playfair in the off-season, while getting rid of 2 beautiful kicks in Schnieder and Dempster.

C'mon Roos. You are the coach. You have to take some responsibility for this.

You drop Davis, the best kick in the side, for not chasing and then bring him back 2 weeks later a jumpy, self-doubting shell of the gamebreaker he has been.

You make accountability the #1 prioirty for your forwards, then rebuke them for not kicking goals. Newsflash - kicking goals is a forward's 1st priority. Paul Bevan is not a small forward. Amon Buchanon is a useful player but kicking goals from set shots will never be his strong suit. O'loughlin and O'keefe take too many shots on the edge of their abilities (ie on the 50 or on tight angles).
 

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Then why the hell did you pick up Henry Playfair in the off-season, while getting rid of 2 beautiful kicks in Schnieder and Dempster.

C'mon Roos. You are the coach. You have to take some responsibility for this.
Just on the points of Schneider and Dempster:

Dempster is a good kick but didn't know how to win the football. Ironically the last three games he played for the senior team showed massive improvement in this respect but it seems that maybe Roos had already made his mind up. Regardless of who you have in your squad, you can only play 22 at any one time and Roos clearly thought Mattner was going to find the ball more often and use it similarly.

Schneider was an inconsistent kick. His best was very good, but he's been as guilty of missing straightforward shots over the last few years as anyone else in the team. And again, back to the number who can play in the side, he's effectively been replaced in the team by Moore, who cost the team nothing in the sense he was sitting in the background not reaching his potential. Sad as I was to see Schneider go, I have no doubt that Moore is a better kick, both around the ground and at goal.
 

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Plugger was the best. I remember how he use to split the middle no matter the angle. Everytime he took a mark inside 50, it was a certain 6 pts
Your kidding? he was a pretty average kick for goal.
 

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I hope this was sarcasm. Plugger kicked something like an average of 80% accuracy over a career that went for 19yrs.
He kicked over 350 points at st kilda... and i dont think he kicked over 1500 goals.
 

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He kicked over 350 points at st kilda... and i dont think he kicked over 1500 goals.
Well I don't have his complete record. But he kicked 830 goals to 350 behinds from 1991 to 2002. That's 1180 scoring shots which means he kicked a tick over 70% goal accuracy. Pretty bloody good for a decade of footy, I'd have thought.

I don't know where you got the 350 points figure for his career at the Saints from. But we do know that he kicked 898 goals for them. So lets assume you know what you're talking about (doubtful) that means he had 1248 scoring shots at the saints with an average of...drum roll please...a tick under 72%

So I guess it all comes down to how far "over" 350pts he actually went. But even if he kicked 400pts at the Saints he still averaged almost 70%
 

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Around 70% accuracy was a figure I thought I'd heard, but I can't find anything to confirm it. I suspect that conversion rate stacks up very well against most other full-forwards.

And I believe he still holds the record for the most consecutive shots without missing - 29 during 1995, which spans the Fitzroy game when he kicked 16 straight.
 

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Around 70% accuracy was a figure I thought I'd heard, but I can't find anything to confirm it. I suspect that conversion rate stacks up very well against most other full-forwards.

And I believe he still holds the record for the most consecutive shots without missing - 29 during 1995, which spans the Fitzroy game when he kicked 16 straight.
Yep, exactly 70%

Here are the stats of the other power forwards of the era:

Dunstall: 66%
Carey: 61%
Ablett: 60%
 

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our kicking is woful, this was highlighted against the doggies as their kicking was near perfect. We MUST make an assault on kicking accuracy, i can't stand watching it, bloody awful. Don't even get me started on skills or lack there of.
 
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Around 70% accuracy was a figure I thought I'd heard, but I can't find anything to confirm it. I suspect that conversion rate stacks up very well against most other full-forwards.

And I believe he still holds the record for the most consecutive shots without missing - 29 during 1995, which spans the Fitzroy game when he kicked 16 straight.
yes, i thought plugger finished with an overall accuracy of 71 per cent, and i think only peter hudson and maybe peter mckenna, of the key goalkicking forwards, were better, but i'm not sure
the fact is i'd gladly take an overall team 71 per cent rate than what we have now
i would like to point out to a previous post that in our premiership year i'm pretty sure we had a 67 per cent record, or something like that, which was far and away the best in the comp that year and a key reason according to many "experts" as to why we did so well for such an unheralded team
 
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