Financial Fair Play discussion

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Like I said I had read the statement before I posted it here. I knew what the statement referred to, and what it didn't refer to. I know why they lost the case, and what that means for other cases or potential cases.

Try to stick to the topic for once.
That case means nothing in terms of other cases unless the circumstances are the same.
 

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Yeah BBC running it now...

Manchester City: Alleged financial fair play violations investigated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47490375
"FFP rules are designed to ensure the amount clubs spend on their players and wages is approximately equal to what they earn in commercial revenue and prize money."


You can truly tell that in 2008/09 that after winning EPL titles and CL trophies exposing them to millions across the globe, selling out the stadium every week and selling shirts in every corner of the world, they really earnt the right to lash out and outspend every club in the world with EVERY sponor falling over themselves with an open chequebook telling them to take what they want. Not even Real Madrid and Barcelona can compete with the amount of supporters City have!
 

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And it only took 120 years of league football for already rich clubs to decide that other clubs need to earn the right to compete with them.

FFP was originally set up to deal with debt fwiw, not spending.
 
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I'm not surprised it took you only a couple of minutes to respond. You're all over this thread defending the club when blind Freddy can tell City have cooked their books to get to where they are, nothing has been organic about their rise. You vehemently rebutt everything despite trying to appear as a fence-sitter. Lets be realistic though, I think everyone in this thread will realise knowing UEFA they will somehow find a way to sweep most of it under the rug and/or hand out a slap on the wrist and you'll be here saying, "HA! Told you so!" but the reality of the situation is much different, UEFA have a track record of corruption anyone can see that.
 

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It's why I want it to go to court. Get the facts out in the open.

If it's down to UEFA and they punish us it will be like "there's your proof that evil City cheated"

If UEFA clear us it will be like "UEFA are bent, you can't trust their decision".

TBF if it does go to court and we win and the tin foil hat brigade will still cry corruption so I guess we can't win either way.

Oh well, will be interesting to see how it all develops.

As for saying I told you so, it's not really my thing. But if that happens I probably will have a laugh to myself about all the piss being boiled.
 

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I'm not surprised it took you only a couple of minutes to respond. You're all over this thread defending the club when blind Freddy can tell City have cooked their books to get to where they are, nothing has been organic about their rise. You vehemently rebutt everything despite trying to appear as a fence-sitter. Lets be realistic though, I think everyone in this thread will realise knowing UEFA they will somehow find a way to sweep most of it under the rug and/or hand out a slap on the wrist and you'll be here saying, "HA! Told you so!" but the reality of the situation is much different, UEFA have a track record of corruption anyone can see that.
what constitutes organic an organic rise? a time machine back to the 80's?
 

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Something built up over many years of success, slowly growing the brand?

City went from nowhere to being the world’s leading club financially within a couple of years. It’s not really what you’d call organic
i dont think anyone has ever called our last 10 years organic growth.
 

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i dont think anyone has ever called our last 10 years organic growth.
Ok but when clubs are trying to rise organically - you know like building a £1billion pound new stadium (investment that doesn’t fall within FFP rules) then surely you can see where this beef comes from?
 

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Ok but when clubs are trying to rise organically - you know like building a £1billion pound new stadium (investment that doesn’t fall within FFP rules) then surely you can see where this beef comes from?
and like everywhere else in life, the world isn't fair.

i'd be all for a salary cap, i think that's a lot more effective in curbing spending.
 

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and like everywhere else in life, the world isn't fair.

i'd be all for a salary cap, i think that's a lot more effective in curbing spending.
Life often isn’t fair no, but we do have laws in place to try and protect. FFP is supposed to be that law in football.

Anyway, at least you are able to be slightly more pragmatic rather than just blindly defending it all. In the main I think that’s true of most City fans and a reason why they remain quite a popular fan base with other fans.
 

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Life often isn’t fair no, but we do have laws in place to try and protect. FFP is supposed to be that law in football.

Anyway, at least you are able to be slightly more pragmatic rather than just blindly defending it all. In the main I think that’s true of most City fans and a reason why they remain quite a popular fan base with other fans.
most laws in society though effect people equally. if you cant go above 60 in a street, no one else can either. ffp isnt an even spread law, whereas a salary cap would be.
 

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Most won't remember, but Man United floated the idea of a salary cap based on revenue a good decade before FFP came around. As the club with the biggest revenue they'd be able to spend more than anyone else on their wages.

The idea of that was appalling to me,.just kills the competitive nature of sport. But I like the idea of a level salary cap, although it would be hard to manage with different tax rates/cost of living etc.

I think the champions League is something that should be looked at in terms of fairness. 4 clubs get a £60m annual helping hand from UEFA, that helps them stay above the challengers.

It should be spread out more evenly through the league and then through the divisions imo. Make the competition more about winning than money.
 

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Salary cap would be a good idea, players can make plenty more off endorsement deals but at the end of the day cheating clubs can just pay their players in that way regardless using the companies.

Sergio Aguero could then make £115m per year by endorsing shoelaces
 
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