Bojan KantKick
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The FA won't be able to use most of it.
Of course they are. If they charge a club using inadmissable material and that club appeals to CAS or higher they'll win.UEFA are not beholden to a court of law so it should not matter how the documents were obtained. Just whether they are legitimate or not. And they can do something - ban cheats like PSG / City for next season's CL.
I was more reading it from the view that the governing bodies don't really give a s**t about ffp breaches by financially wealthy clubs.The FA won't be able to use most of it.
It was obtained illegally.
Much of it is legally privileged.
There's no context, and no way of proving that the material hasn't been altered, or made up.
I'd say that despite the sensationalism in Der Spiegel a lot of the material contains information already known to the authorities.
Unless Football Leaks were prepared to burn their sources the 70m documents are no more than gossip legally speaking.
If I was the FA I'd want a nosy anyway, just for interests sake. See what clubs are doing. But there's not much they can do with it.
I suspect it's all a bit hard for the FA. 70m docs uses a lot of resources and I think they'd rather it all go away.I was more reading it from the view that the governing bodies don't really give a s**t about ffp breaches by financially wealthy clubs.
I think the evidence to date shows that they would rather punish middling to lower teams instead.
The same narrative of you not contributing anything to the discussion apart from having a go at me.Lol these ffp discussions on here always follow the same narrative. Moomba do you practice law by any chance?
Of course they are. If they charge a club using inadmissable material and that club appeals to CAS or higher they'll win.
And the FA will have wasted a small fortune doing so.
You can't sue for damages in a criminal court. But you can in a civil court and UEFA, like everyone else is subject to the laws of the land and due process.Inadmissible. You make it sound like it would be heard in a criminal court. It is UEFA, they have their own disciplinary/ ethics committee or whatever it is called to decide on punishment for s**t like City / PSG are guilty of.
You can appeal to CAS but again that is more of a tribunal / arbitration type setup.
City could attempt to sue UEFA for damages in criminal court. Finding a judge to accept there is a case may be just a tad difficult though.
You can't sue for damages in a criminal court. But you can in a civil court and UEFA, like everyone else is subject to the laws of the land and due process.
Which they won't do because they know that when it goes to appeal where due process and judicial laws exist they'll get laughed out of court.UEFA's disciplinary decisions are not subject to any court. They are free to use any evidence they wish.
Which they won't do because they know that when it goes to appeal where due process and judicial laws exist they'll get laughed out of court.
I'd love for them to try it. But it would cost them a packet.
And I suspect they'll be asked a whole lot more questions about FFP they don't want to answer.
TBH I think it would be the best thing for the integrity of the game. Get it all out in the open. Both sides, and then what will be will be.
Don't know why you're so horrified of the all the facts coming out in a court case then.
Surely if we're cheating so much we'll be shown up in court and penalised accordingly.
As you say, we've been punished. And we didn't take it further so we just have to accept that.If you weren't cheating you wouldn't have been penalised in the first place. Sporting decisions have no place in a court, unlikely any judge would even consider hearing it as it totally undermines any decision a sporting body makes. IMO City would be laughed at if they tried to appeal a penalty in a court of law.
As you say, we've been punished. And we didn't take it further so we just have to accept that.
But you want us punished further, so surely you've got to prove we've done something against the rules.
Gut feeling, suspicion and just plain wanting it to happen isn't proof. So let's see UEFA investigate, if they do hopefully they'll make a case and then we'll see if I'm right or you are.
BTW, if Suarez didn't racially abuse Evra he wouldn't have been penalised for it. Am I right?
Btw surprising to hear you claim that John Terry isnt guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand going by your deluded logic that because he was cleared in a court of law it couldn't of happened. Really surprised to hear that coming from you.
Very surprising to hear me claim that because I never did. What I did do is point out the absurdity of your "you were punished so you must have done it", and how you don't apply that rule when it suits.
The fact that what you've read has convinced you that we deliberately presented artificially inflated commercial deals funded by our owner is exactly why Der Spiegel isn't a reliable source of evidence.
And probably why UEFA aren't rushing to investigate with the same desperation as you. They may well be looking, but they'll need a little more evidence than Der Spiegel.
LOL. You're getting quite good at this stupid assumptions thing.
uefa are scared of ffp being pulled apart in the courts. hence why the punishment we got was settled, and why ffp has since loosened. uefa still have to answer to eu laws.