Finding positives against Freo

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OKAY, the game never rose to any great qualities, but as a footy supporter watching with my team not involved, I saw some stuff which looked good long term for the Crowies.

Reilly showed class and courage
Stenglein was, as always, courageous
Hentschel was impressive (anyone else think he looks to be a small 192cm player?)
Johncock was classy
Smart is still a "fastish" cocky SOB, good on him
Burton is a quality player
Edwards has a huge motor
Scotts Stevens & Welsh were ok
Massie keeps on presenting well
Carey, well he didn't give up
Roo is your best player

For the others, less said the better, although what is going wrong with Andy McLeod, he looked almost uninterested at stages.
 

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Originally posted by Asgardian
For the others, less said the better, although what is going wrong with Andy McLeod, he looked almost uninterested at stages.
I know this is about positives...but what the hell happened in the last when he's streaming through the middle...bounces the ball...and completely loses all control of it. :confused:
 

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Originally posted by Asgardian
Hentschel was impressive (anyone else think he looks to be a small 192cm player?)
What do you mean?????? Do you mean he looks shorter than 192 cm or that he plays shorter than his size suggests??????

He is a tall fell. He is in fact taller than Perrie when they stand next to each other. One of the things that make Trent stand out is his evasive skills and his coolness under pressure. He is more skilled below his knees than most of the KPP going around. He has the skills of a midfielder and at times plays like one.
 

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Which makes you wonder why he was drafted after playing well as a full-forward, played well in the SANFL as a full-forward, yet looks completely and utterly like he doesn't have a clue how to play forward when in the higher level?

But suddenly he looks like a cool, clevel defender...
 

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Originally posted by Asgardian
Reilly showed class and courage
I thought he burned the ball a lot and looked like your typical 'trying too hard to prove himself' fringe player. Concerning considering he's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread and is now in his third season at this level.

*cough* Andrew Eccles *cough*
 

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Originally posted by spindoctor
Which makes you wonder why he was drafted after playing well as a full-forward, played well in the SANFL as a full-forward, yet looks completely and utterly like he doesn't have a clue how to play forward when in the higher level?

But suddenly he looks like a cool, clevel defender...
I'll take that though, if he can a secure a place back there, then with experience he may yet be a forward option down the track.
 

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Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
What do you mean?????? Do you mean he looks shorter than 192 cm or that he plays shorter than his size suggests??????

He is a tall fell. He is in fact taller than Perrie when they stand next to each other. One of the things that make Trent stand out is his evasive skills and his coolness under pressure. He is more skilled below his knees than most of the KPP going around. He has the skills of a midfielder and at times plays like one.
Everyone has heard the saying "playing tall", for a forward who is a bigger marking threat than his size would normally suggest, eg Aaron Hamill.

Well the times I've seen Trent, he seems to play smaller than he really is.

He looks comfortable with the ball below his knees, ball handling seems not to be a problem. His extension in a marking contest looks a bit reserved though, not saying he's scared, more that he tries to gather the ball while protecting it with his body, always wants to get the ball into his chest. That is not always possible, so it's an area I see him needing to be aware of.

Hopefully you guys will see this as it's meant, constructive criticism
 
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Re: Re: Finding positives against Freo

Originally posted by dyertribe
I thought he burned the ball a lot and looked like your typical 'trying too hard to prove himself' fringe player. Concerning considering he's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread and is now in his third season at this level.

*cough* Andrew Eccles *cough*
There were more experienced and highly credentialled players burning the ball far worse.
In the first half, he was one of our shining lights.
This kid will be a great player, any reference to a likeness to Eccles is an insult.
 
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Originally posted by spindoctor
Which makes you wonder why he was drafted after playing well as a full-forward, played well in the SANFL as a full-forward, yet looks completely and utterly like he doesn't have a clue how to play forward when in the higher level?

But suddenly he looks like a cool, clevel defender...
After losing Sugar, we need more "no panic" players in our team, who have the skill & the mental ability to get themselves out of a tight spot. Have been impressed the way he hangs on to the ball a bit longer than most, because he is looking to get the ball to a team mate. Pity some more experienced players didn't follow suit. Settle him in the backline for now ... but there is a possibility he may make a handy forward in the future.
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
After losing Sugar, we need more "no panic" players in our team, who have the skill & the mental ability to get themselves out of a tight spot. Have been impressed the way he hangs on to the ball a bit longer than most, because he is looking to get the ball to a team mate. Pity some more experienced players didn't follow suit. Settle him in the backline for now ... but there is a possibility he may make a handy forward in the future.
I have been one of his critics, primarily over his mental fragility in his early games.
But I have been impressed with his ability to work his way through tight situations, and deliver accurately to a team mate.
Could be the dashing CHB typre we need, but also as Kane suggests, could be a future FF option, with a bit more experience and bulk.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Finding positives against Freo

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
This kid will be a great player, any reference to a likeness to Eccles is an insult.
But wasn't Eccles supposed to be a future superstar at roughly the same time? Victorian kid with huge raps... showed glimpses but ended up doing sweet bugger all.

It's about we stopped looking for excuses and coulda/shoulda/wouldas and called a spade a ****ing spade.

Reilly has to start producing now when we need him to. The last thing we need is another midfield/flanker type who is still battling to make the grade coming into his fourth or fifth season, read:

Doughty
Gallagher
Skipworth
Shirley
Ladhams
Bode
Mattner

Call me impatient but when I see the likes of Chris Judd, Daniel Kerr, Byron Schammer, Daniel Wells, Luke Ball, Nick Dal Santo, Steven Salopek, Adam Schneider, Tadhg Kennelly, Sam Mitchell, Mark Coughlan, Robert Murphy, et al. running around for their respective clubs it makes me wonder why we're still relying on the same old midfield trio that has had to do the job for the past five+ years - and why we're still giving chances to players (see above) who have failed to string two decent seasons together.
 

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I found the 1 %ers positive.
There were times when Freo kicks went astray because of our forwardline pressure.

Rielly & Gallagher both burned the ball but they usually kick well??
 

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If Eccles hadn't had so many injuries he would have been very good. He was always a good midfielder for us when he was free of injuries.

Don't let his failure at Carlton tar how well he performed for us when he could.
 

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Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by Asgardian

Hopefully you guys will see this as it's meant, constructive criticism
Well i've just about had it up to here concerning your so-called "constructive criticism" & i'll settle for a win thank you very much.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by noddy
Well i've just about had it up to here concerning your so-called "constructive criticism" ...
What's wrong with it? He's far more positive than I am... this Crows team reminds me of a certain ship beginning with T and ending in ITANIC.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by dyertribe
What's wrong with it? He's far more positive than I am... this Crows team reminds me of a certain ship beginning with T and ending in ITANIC.

Maybe i would like it better if he gave us a bit of stick at least then i could give it back !!!


Titanic, i can't swim.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by dyertribe
What's wrong with it? He's far more positive than I am... this Crows team reminds me of a certain ship beginning with T and ending in ITANIC.
That's because you lot set yourselves up for expectations that far surpass reality.
Really hands up those that thought you'd be a chance of being 0-3 at this stage?
In your next few weeks is when you should win the bulk of your games in the first round.
That is also where the whingeing "should have" come out if you fail.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by PAfolwr
That's because you lot set yourselves up for expectations that far surpass reality.
Really hands up those that thought you'd be a chance of being 0-3 at this stage?
In your next few weeks is when you should win the bulk of your games in the first round.
Clicky Clicky
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by dyertribe
Clicky Clicky
Well not quite everyone, but really wasn't it dicussed in the "first 11 games" thread, and other threads, that the Crows would not do that well early on.
So what has changed?
After the next three games is the time to get the steak knives out if required, not now. :)
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by PAfolwr
Well not quite everyone, but really wasn't it dicussed in the "first 11 games" thread, and other threads, that the Crows would not do that well early on.
So what has changed?
After the next three games is the time to get the steak knives out if required, not now. :)
I'd like to back up captain dyertribe of the Titanic and Asguardian here a bit, because PAfolwr from my POV at least I thought I would be seeing better footy than this from the Crows even if their first rounds are tough.

The gameplan stinks and we fans are not happy about it.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by ok.crows
I'd like to back up captain dyertribe of the Titanic and Asguardian here a bit, because PAfolwr from my POV at least I thought I would be seeing better footy than this from the Crows even if their first rounds are tough.

The gameplan stinks and we fans are not happy about it.
I can and do understand where you are coming from, but from the little I have seen, Ayres and co are trying to alter a few things, and they haven't quite worked yet.
Perhaps they will work, perhaps they wont, but everybody here was screaming for changes not too long ago, and this is the time of year to try them.
If I was a Crow supporter, I'd be waiting for a few more weeks.

So far this year the Crows have recruited for the future for a change (long overdue).
Taken a punt and replaced Marsh (long overdue).
Tried out players in different positions (long overdue), some may work some wont.
Trying to get a plan B going.
So there are a few positives, and a lot of sides will go down to Freo in Perth by a much bigger margin than you did.


Ayres is a good coach, but amongst his downfalls is that he seems to flog a horse to death before changing it, and that is the bit that you'd want to see change during this year IMO, because apart from that he is quite good.
(Similarities can be made to Williams, and he appears to be changing.)

Then again IMO (at the time) 2,000 was a good year for Port, and so far this year is the other "best year" since then.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trent Hentschel

Originally posted by ok.crows
I'd like to back up captain dyertribe of the Titanic and Asguardian here a bit, because PAfolwr from my POV at least I thought I would be seeing better footy than this from the Crows even if their first rounds are tough.

The gameplan stinks and we fans are not happy about it.
Reckon our main problems are settling a structure (particularly up forward), skills (particularly kicking) & having a fair dinkum go.
 

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Re: Re: Finding positives against Freo

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
What do you mean?????? Do you mean he looks shorter than 192 cm or that he plays shorter than his size suggests??????
I think its more that he looks shorter than he actually is. When hes out on the ground he looks quite a bit shorter than 192cm. Hes taller than Chad Cornes but you wouldnt really pick it.
 
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