first test of the aussie summer 23/24

[eth-dog]

Which suggests there are other issues at play other than just scoring runs.

The same things were said about Chris Rogers.

It's clear what Bancroft needs to do. Move to Victoria.

 

[CakeEater]

The same things were said about Chris Rogers.

It's clear what Bancroft needs to do. Move to nsw.

Efa

He'll get 200 tests unbroken.

 

[frankrizzo]

Which suggests there are other issues at play other than just scoring runs.

Im sure his technical issues dont help, that aus a innings it just looked inevitable he would be trapped in front and that was on a dead pitch vs pakistans second stringers, im fine with him getting start for windies tests but i can also understand the selectors just looking at him and thinking india next summer followed a year later by england this guy simply doesnt have game to survive vs best test quicks.

 

[Slysh]

Which suggests there are other issues at play other than just scoring runs.

Eh he has test failures, a clear obvious technique flaw and has had a chance in County and for A teams to demand selection and at times failed.

Now i have no issue with him getting the gig post Warner, but i think it is fair why selectors are far from convinced he is a long term answer.

 

[JackOutback]

Eh he has test failures, a clear obvious technique flaw and has had a chance in County and for A teams to demand selection and at times failed.

Now i have no issue with him getting the gig post Warner, but i think it is fair why selectors are far from convinced he is a long term answer.

I agree, but if they go with Harris or Renshaw, who have their own history of failures and flaws, I think it's more to do with 2018 and team dynamics. If they decide to pick Green by justifying it as the six best bats available, then shuffle the order to accommodate, then maybe it is just flaws.

 

[Slysh]

I agree, but if they go with Harris or Renshaw, who have their own history of failures and flaws, I think it's more to do with 2018 and team dynamics. If they decide to pick Green by justifying it as the six best bats available, then shuffle the order to accommodate, then maybe it is just flaws.

I don't think so, In the last 12 months Bancroft has averaged 46 in all first class cricket and Matt Renshaw 56. Bancroft failed in country cricket, did not look good in the PM's game. Add in the age gap between Bancroft and Renshaw and i think you can understand why they may lean his way. Now Bancroft has dominated shield cricket and that counts for something.

I just don't think we have a clear stand out option, i am not confident in any of the 3 leading candidates.

 

[Cleavy]

The same things were said about Chris Rogers.

It's clear what Bancroft needs to do. Move to Victoria.

as if he's getting a game ahead of Travis Dean...

 

[The 747]

I agree, but if they go with Harris or Renshaw, who have their own history of failures and flaws, I think it's more to do with 2018 and team dynamics. If they decide to pick Green by justifying it as the six best bats available, then shuffle the order to accommodate, then maybe it is just flaws.

Green has nothing to do with the price of fish here. They will not reshuffle the batting order to accommodate Green. Head has been told he won't be moving from 5, and Smith and Marnus aren't moving either. When Warner goes they will pick an specialist batsman to replace him.

 

[JackOutback]

Green has nothing to do with the price of fish here. They will not reshuffle the batting order to accommodate Green. Head has been told he won't be moving from 5, and Smith and Marnus aren't moving either. When Warner goes they will pick an specialist batsman to replace him.

I dunno, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of people talking it up right now, Ed Cowan adding his voice.

I'd just pick Bancroft, but I can see a situation where Marnus opens with Usman, Smith at 3, Green at 4, Head at 5, March at 6. Kicks the can down the road a little while they prepare for Usman to move on.

 

[Westend]

I dunno, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of people talking it up right now, Ed Cowan adding his voice.

I'd just pick Bancroft, but I can see a situation where Marnus opens with Usman, Smith at 3, Green at 4, Head at 5, March at 6. Kicks the can down the road a little while they prepare for Usman to move on.

As I said before if the replacement comes down to Bancroft renshaw Harris or green .. I would pick greenie hands down

 

[frankrizzo]

I dunno, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of people talking it up right now, Ed Cowan adding his voice.

I think its more you are letting your state bias cloud things, seems like you have decided its bancrofts spot to lose and the only one worthy to take it outside him would be another west aussie in green, when you start from a position like that then yes its easy to convince yourself any other outcome must be based on something outside cricket.

Reality is none of bancroft renshaw or harris have done job in multiple chances at test cricket and they are all very lucky our stocks are so thin as we should have moved on from all of them by now, the one of the three who gets yet another chance will be lucky to get it but that doesnt make the two who miss out unlucky by any means.

 

[JackOutback]

I think its more you are letting your state bias cloud things, seems like you have decided its bancrofts spot to lose and the only one worthy to take it outside him would be another west aussie in green, when you start from a position like that then yes its easy to convince yourself any other outcome must be based on something outside cricket.

Reality is none of bancroft renshaw or harris have done job in multiple chances at test cricket and the are all very lucky our stocks are so thin as we should have moved on from all of them by now, the one of the three who gets yet another chance will be lucky to get it but that doesnt make the two who miss out unlucky by any means.

You seem to see 'WA bias' everywhere you look. Is it in the room with you now?

I stated before that I think Renshaw is probably the most likely to succeed of the three, but Bancroft's Shield record of the past two seasons puts him at the head of the three main contenders. That seems to be the general consensus among commentators as well (though I'm sure it's Harris in your completely unbiased opinion). There's definitely baggage around Bancroft and the sandpaper so suggesting there might be issues with some of the squad, particularly the bowlers, is hardly earth shattering news.

There's also rumblings around Green being picked given he was the last player out of the team (for an injury, officially, not dropped), is in the squad, and therefore considered among the best seven bats in the country, six once Warner retires.

Sometimes, 1+1 just equals 2.

 

[frankrizzo]

You seem to see 'WA bias' everywhere you look. Is it in the room with you now?

You said this an earlier post about if bancroft wasnt selected " if they go with Harris or Renshaw, who have their own history of failures and flaws, I think it's more to do with 2018 and team dynamics" now maybe im wrong and that unreasonable stance isnt just state bias but just a very bad reading of whole situation but you are still wrong to assume bancroft is so clearly the front runner only external issues could be at play to keep him out of the side.

 

[dogs105]

You said this an earlier post about if bancroft wasnt selected " if they go with Harris or Renshaw, who have their own history of failures and flaws, I think it's more to do with 2018 and team dynamics" now maybe im wrong and that unreasonable stance isnt just state bias but just a very bad reading of whole situation but you are still wrong to assume bancroft is so clearly the front runner only external issues could be at play to keep him out of the side.

If Bancroft hadn't used the sandpaper when he did, he was surely close to being dropped anyway. Very underwhelming form.

 

[The 747]

I dunno, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of people talking it up right now, Ed Cowan adding his voice.

I'd just pick Bancroft, but I can see a situation where Marnus opens with Usman, Smith at 3, Green at 4, Head at 5, March at 6. Kicks the can down the road a little while they prepare for Usman to move on.

At the risk of repeating previous posts, you think we should reshuffle all the batters who average 45 plus at Test cricket for someone who averages less than 35? We should move an all time great out of his preferred position to accommodate someone who is only a handy contributor at Test level?

Marsh is not likely to be in the team for long, Green will be back - and batting at 6. Green at 4 is a post Smith idea and also assumes that Green starts to deliver with the bat at Test level.

 

[The 747]

You seem to see 'WA bias' everywhere you look. Is it in the room with you now?

Sorry I see it too.

The answer is drop Marsh for Green, but can't do that because because....

We need an opener the answer has to be Bancroft because.....

We need to reshuffle all our gun batters for Cameron Green's sake because......

And neither Marsh or Green are in the best seven bats in the country, they are all rounders and picked because they bat and bowl.

 

[JackOutback]

At the risk of repeating previous posts, you think we should reshuffle all the batters who average 45 plus at Test cricket for someone who averages less than 35? We should move an all time great out of his preferred position to accommodate someone who is only a handy contributor at Test level?

Marsh is not likely to be in the team for long, Green will be back - and batting at 6. Green at 4 is a post Smith idea and also assumes that Green starts to deliver with the bat at Test level.

I said in the very post you quoted I'd just pick Bancroft, so no, I wouldn't do it. Bancroft is in good form in Australian conditions and two Tests against a weaker West Indies could boost his confidence.

But the rumblings are there and the theory that you pick the six best bats and work it out from there isn't so outrageous as to be completely written off. If the selectors think all of Bancroft, Harris and Renshaw will struggle to average above the mid-20s, then moving Marnus to open could be seen as a viable option.

I prefer the first option but would be willing to see how the second option plays out.

 

[Westend]

Sorry I see it too.

The answer is drop Marsh for Green, but can't do that because because....

We need an opener the answer has to be Bancroft because.....

We need to reshuffle all our gun batters for Cameron Green's sake because......

And neither Marsh or Green are in the best seven bats in the country, they are all rounders and picked because they bat and bowl.

Nope nothing of the sort

 

[Silver Tongue]

If Bancroft hadn't used the sandpaper when he did, he was surely close to being dropped anyway. Very underwhelming form.

We are talking about blokes who won't play much further part moving forward. Bancroft, Renshaw and Harris are not good enough to be regular openers.

As soon as Warner is finished there will be that readjustment within so allowing both Greene and Marsh play.

Marsh or Labuschagne will open. Greene will move to No.4. Test cricket needs to compete with 20/20 ... Personally I love Test cricket and 20/20 bores me senseless. I would love to see the Bison move to the top of the order and take the driver! He has the technique in our conditions.

It would need further adjustment in the subcontinent where we might need an alternative.

 

[JackOutback]

Sorry I see it too.

The answer is drop Marsh for Green, but can't do that because because....

We need an opener the answer has to be Bancroft because.....

We need to reshuffle all our gun batters for Cameron Green's sake because......

And neither Marsh or Green are in the best seven bats in the country, they are all rounders and picked because they bat and bowl.

Then you haven't been reading my posts properly.

I certainly never said you can't drop Marsh, from the get-go I said Marsh should make way for Green. His overall record is not great and even after his triumphant return in England, it was diminishing returns. Green is the future, but the selectors seem determined to go with Marsh first.

Bancroft being the leading contender for the opening spot is hardly left-field thinking, though again, I said Renshaw probably has the best chance of long-term success.

And I never said reshuffle the whole order for Green but I'd be willing to see how it plays out if the rumblings actually lead to something.

Preferred option, Bancroft opens after Warner retires but needs to fire quickly or the pressure will be on, Marsh and Green compete for number 6.

 

[cricketnut14]

And neither Marsh or Green are in the best seven bats in the country, they are all rounders and picked because they bat and bowl.

bit harsh on green - he's certainly in the best 7 bats in the country (can bowl and outstanding fielder).

who are the 7 batsmen better than him ?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Is the Perth hard bouncing wicket a myth these days?

 

[Cleavy]

Is the Perth hard bouncing wicket a myth these days?

Perth curator expects 'fast, hard, bouncy wicket' for first Australia vs Pakistan Test

Pressure has been on the ground staff after a sedate pitch in last summer's Australia vs West Indies Test

www.espncricinfo.com

not according to the curator

 

[Underarm]

I dunno, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of people talking it up right now, Ed Cowan adding his voice.

I'd just pick Bancroft, but I can see a situation where Marnus opens with Usman, Smith at 3, Green at 4, Head at 5, March at 6. Kicks the can down the road a little while they prepare for Usman to move on.

The far more likely scenario is Marsh being dropped after a couple of dud tests. He wont have a long leash.

 

[big_e]

If Bancroft hadn't used the sandpaper when he did, he was surely close to being dropped anyway. Very underwhelming form.

Cameron Bancroft was Australia's highest run scorer in that series, despite only playing three tests when others played four.