Prediction Fixing our forward line

[Soapy V]

As a coach who does Technical coaching it is very easy to teach Kids what to do they don't have bad habits usually, however once people develop bad habits that is when real coaches earn their $. That is something I am not seeing with Casboult or any other players in our club.

I don't agree. Go to training and the work that is put into Casboult is phenominal. He is also a hard trainer and really puts in. I appreciate your point but in this case I simply don't think he's up to it and has gooten the most of of himself he can. There was good reasons he was picked late as a rookie

As for other players a lot really improved under Bolton. To win 7 games with that list was a very good effort IMO.

 

[HalloweenJack]

I'd love that but I think LeBois will have to wait a little while. Hopefully the second half of the year

I hope that we actually give our young players a chance from round 1 and give them an extended run. They could not be any worse than some of the very ordinary players we have on our list who make the team.

It is high time that the CFC MC showed faith on the young players.

 

[bluebrew]

Really? Interesting SG. I have to disagree.

I thought last year we improved immensely in a number of areas. We have had a couple of pre season games since then which i take little interest in. The issue for me is our list still has a lot of very average players that are getting games as our kids simply aren't ready. Too many players with poor skills and poor decision making that shouldn't be on an AFL list. Unfortunately we can't get rid of them all at once.

I see a heck of a lot of genuine raw talent coming through but they are 2-3 years away from being consistent players. In the meantime we are going to feel some pain as we transition from a bunch of average players to a bunch of raw kids. The next 2 years will be hard but worth it.

I am confident in our current coaching structure and recruiting/list managment. Unfortunately it's going to take time and it's frustrating. Patience isn't easy but I truly believe that for the first time in 20 years we are heading in the right direction

We can all see the Talent coming through, but I am sure you have heard don't count your chickens before they hatch.

We have a midfield that is about as calm under pressure as a 13 year old experiencing sex for the first time. after its second pre season nothing has apparently changed they still run around like headless chooks kicking indiscriminately unable to reliably hit up targets with or without pressure.

We have players who appear to be once in a generation defenders and we want them to play as forwards...why is that? Are they admitting they cannot coach our forwards? We as a club need to excel in all areas if we are to cover the gap between us and the best..remember the best are trying to get better every preseason as well...

 

[bluebrew]

I don't agree. Go to training and the work that is put into Casboult is phenominal. He is also a hard trainer and really puts in. I appreciate your point but in this case I simply don't think he's up to it and has gooten the most of of himself he can. There was good reasons he was picked late as a rookie

As for other players a lot really improved under Bolton. To win 7 games with that list was a very good effort IMO.

Work that is natural to him and not communicated in HIS OWN learning style is simply wasted time he will not improve with that approach.

 

[Soapy V]

I hope that we actually give our young players a chance from round 1 and give them an extended run. They could not be any worse than some of the very ordinary players we have on our list who make the team.

It is high time that the CFC MC showed faith on the young players.

I'm a bit the same but if most can be playing by mid year that's pretty good. I expect Charlie Silvagni Weitering Marchbank Macreadie Cuningham Pickett to be playing round one. Over the next 12 weeks I am hoping to see LeBois Fisher Polson McKay SPS Williamson getting games as well. That would be 13 first or second year players which is a lot and very exciting

 

[Soapy V]

Work that is natural to him and not communicated in HIS OWN learning style is simply wasted time he will not improve with that approach.

You obviously know more about it than me. I just don't think he has the tools.

 

[Soapy V]

We have players who appear to be once in a generation defenders and we want them to play as forwards...why is that?

You obviously haven't been reading some of my recent posts.

 

[Soapy V]

We can all see the Talent coming through, but I am sure you have heard don't count your chickens before they hatch.

We have a midfield that is about as calm under pressure as a 13 year old experiencing sex for the first time. after its second pre season nothing has apparently changed they still run around like headless chooks kicking indiscriminately unable to reliably hit up targets with or without pressure.

We have players who appear to be once in a generation defenders and we want them to play as forwards...why is that? Are they admitting they cannot coach our forwards? We as a club need to excel in all areas if we are to cover the gap between us and the best..remember the best are trying to get better every preseason as well...

I'm not sure what you expect. All I know is we are barely 12 months into a rebuild and it takes time and we will go backwards before going forward. At this stage I haven't seen anything that has me concerned

 

[Metalcrusher]

Work that is natural to him and not communicated in HIS OWN learning style is simply wasted time he will not improve with that approach.

Awesome theory in THEORY. Life doesn't work that way .... You (BB) must be a teacher then or some one very removed from the pointy end of restructures and sackings (maybe HR)... someone that lives in theory but has **** all knowledge of the outside world. Even in business that tripe is bandee'd about but it doesn't work because we A) don't have the time .... B) don't have the money.

 

[bluebrew]

I'm not sure what you expect. All I know is we are barely 12 months into a rebuild and it takes time and we will go backwards before going forward. At this stage I haven't seen anything that has me concerned

All I know Is it takes me 2 hours to stop a person hitting 30 meter slices with no distance into straight hitters who gain 50 meters off the tee..

The laws of physics and geometry apply, they don't change due to a coaches lack of knowledge but If you cannot deliver information in way that is relative to the individual both of you are wasting your time.

 

[bluebrew]

Awesome theory in THEORY. Life doesn't work that way .... You (BB) must be a teacher then or some one very removed from the pointy end of restructures and sackings (maybe HR)... someone that lives in theory but has **** all knowledge of the outside world. Even in business that tripe is bandee'd about but it doesn't work because we A) don't have the time .... B) don't have the money.

Incorrect many of the best Golf coaches use it every single day...

 

[Soapy V]

All I know Is it takes me 2 hours to stop a person hitting 30 meter slices with no distance into straight hitters who gain 50 meters off the tee..

The laws of physics and geometry apply, they don't change due to a coaches lack of knowledge but If you cannot deliver information in way that is relative to the individual both of you are wasting your time.

Now you've lost me [emoji15]

 

[Metalcrusher]

We can all see the Talent coming through, but I am sure you have heard don't count your chickens before they hatch.

We have a midfield that is about as calm under pressure as a 13 year old experiencing sex for the first time. after its second pre season nothing has apparently changed they still run around like headless chooks kicking indiscriminately unable to reliably hit up targets with or without pressure.

We have players who appear to be once in a generation defenders and we want them to play as forwards...why is that? Are they admitting they cannot coach our forwards? We as a club need to excel in all areas if we are to cover the gap between us and the best..remember the best are trying to get better every preseason as well...

You know what ... the world ain't text book and sometimes, you need to fill a hole with something other than theory ie something you have on hand right now. We have X players... X are defenders, X are mids, X a re **** all, X are forwards ....... Hey ... this bloke can lead ... he can mark ... and **** me dead he can kick straight ... does it really matter he is not kicking the sherrin to a HBF or winger but through the big sticks?

Maybe all those that oppose the idea should run out on the ground and give him a cuddle after each goal? Or solid lead? Or smart up ground take the defender with you run?

Life isn't perfect, neither is our list. Bolts will make the smartest decision available on the day.

 

[TooBlue14]

Just to make it clear to everybody who keeps calling for 7-8 kids to play all year. It's not smart. They won't grow by playing v big bodies without big bodies and maturity/experience around them to break them in gently. There is no way polson Williamson McKay fisher Lebois play games together in 2017. We hardly will get all of lasts years kids in the side together. Development will not come by throwing them to the sharks all at once. The mature players were brought in to stop this so expect to see some players who aren't really up to it skill wise to hold spots for 1-2 years why they fight to take it off them.

 

[Soapy V]

Awesome theory in THEORY. Life doesn't work that way .... You (BB) must be a teacher then or some one very removed from the pointy end of restructures and sackings (maybe HR)... someone that lives in theory but has **** all knowledge of the outside world. Even in business that tripe is bandee'd about but it doesn't work because we A) don't have the time .... B) don't have the money.

Or C) just don't have the talent

If a club recruited me at 18 and I trained everyday and my coaches were Clarkson Parkin Jeans Longmire combined I still wouldn't have made it. I simply didn't have the ability

 

[Soapy V]

Just to make it clear to everybody who keeps calling for 7-8 kids to play all year. It's not smart. They won't grow by playing v big bodies without big bodies and maturity/experience around them to break them in gently. There is no way polson Williamson McKay fisher Lebois play games together in 2017. We hardly will get all of lasts years kids in the side together. Development will not come by throwing them to the sharks all at once. The mature players were brought in to stop this so expect to see some players who aren't really up to it skill wise to hold spots for 1-2 years why they fight to take it off them.

Worked okay for GWS in their first few years. Now seeing benefits quicker than expected. Kids these days can handle it

Most of Weitering Marchbank Cuningham Pickett SPS Charlie Silvagni have the physical attributes to handle it.

Lebois Fisher Polson Williamson McKay will benefit from getting 8-10 games under them this season

 

[TooBlue14]

Worked okay for GWS in their first few years. Now seeing benefits quicker than expected. Kids these days can handle it

Most of Weitering Marchbank Cuningham Pickett SPS Charlie Silvagni have the physical attributes to handle it.

Lebois Fisher Polson Williamson McKay will benefit from getting 8-10 games under them this season

But not all at once. Look how long it's taken Melb. Losing culture can develop. Gws knew it would come but realistically they've all turned into self titled w***ers. Pay attention to the last years final series and look at how they react to just marking a ball inside 50, let alone scoring a goal or maybe winning a game. They believe their bullshit. I don't want a club like that either. Hard work and perseverance, ENDURING through all this and becoming comfortable with being uncomfortable. That what I want.

 

[El Topo]

Worked okay for GWS in their first few years. Now seeing benefits quicker than expected. Kids these days can handle it

Most of Weitering Marchbank Cuningham Pickett SPS Charlie Silvagni have the physical attributes to handle it.

Lebois Fisher Polson Williamson McKay will benefit from getting 8-10 games under them this season

The GWS approach also churns through a lot of promising youngsters, it's not sustainable if you're starting with just the one first round pick each year.

 

[Soapy V]

The GWS approach also churns through a lot of promising youngsters, it's not sustainable if you're starting with just the one first round pick each year.

I think people are overreacting. Let's be realistic. We are talking about 12-14 players this year getting AFL experience and not all of them playing every week.

Weitering Marchbank Pickett Sumner Silvagni Cuningham SPS could easily play most weeks. LeBois Polson Fisher McKay Williamson Macreadie should be aiming to get 10 plus games under them if possible. During this time we still have 10-14 mature bodies in the side. Not exactly an under 21 side.

IMO that's a good year regarding our development

Next year when we bring in another 8-10 kids. The first lot mentioned will have another 20 plus games under them and the second lot 10 plus and will be ready for a full season. Most should be ready for a full season. During that whole time Murphy Simpson Gibbs Docherty Cripps Curnow Kruezer Phillips Rowe Smedts Kerridge are the stable mature bodies that help out. Doesn't seem over the top to me

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I think people are overreacting. Let's be realistic. We are talking about 12-14 players this year getting AFL experience and not all of them playing every week.

Weitering Marchbank Pickett Sumner Silvagni Cuningham SPS could easily play most weeks. LeBois Polson Fisher McKay Williamson Macreadie should be aiming to get 10 plus games under them if possible. During this time we still have 10-14 mature bodies in the side. Not exactly an under 21 side.

IMO that's a good year regarding our development

Next year when we bring in another 8-10 kids. The first lot mentioned will have another 20 plus games under them and the second lot 10 plus and will be ready for a full season. Most should be ready for a full season. During that whole time Murphy Simpson Gibbs Docherty Cripps Curnow Kruezer Phillips Rowe Smedts Kerridge are the stable mature bodies that help out. Doesn't seem over the top to me

Pretty much agree with everything you said here. Macreadie I can actually see in the first group of players you mentioned and playing most weeks. I actually think he will be an excellent get for us. McKay, Fisher etc Id be most happy to see them get some runs on the board with the NB for the first part of the season and look to add them in the second half of the year.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

For me our best fwd line atm is:

Wright Casboult J.Silvagni
Pickett Weitering C.Curnow

Id play Charlie through the middle of the ground myself.

 

[therubbernub]

We can all see the Talent coming through, but I am sure you have heard don't count your chickens before they hatch.

We have a midfield that is about as calm under pressure as a 13 year old experiencing sex for the first time. after its second pre season nothing has apparently changed they still run around like headless chooks kicking indiscriminately unable to reliably hit up targets with or without pressure.

We have players who appear to be once in a generation defenders and we want them to play as forwards...why is that? Are they admitting they cannot coach our forwards? We as a club need to excel in all areas if we are to cover the gap between us and the best..remember the best are trying to get better every preseason as well...

pftt If i was experiencing sex for the first time at 13 iI can assure you I would have been no headless chook

 

[LordLucifer]

As with all Carlton supporters, I am tormented by our disfunctional forward line;

• A lumbering Full Forward who can't kick straight, can't pick up the ball when it hits the ground, has slow decision making skills & can't chase the rebounding backman;
• A lumbering resting ruckman who can't mark & can't chase the rebounding backman;
• The lack of a Centre Half Forward;
• The lack of crumbing forwards (Wright was good but we have lacked that zippy small forward);
• The lack of a genuine third tall forward (Silvagni/Curnow played this as 1st year players last year).

Now I know a lot of our problems fall with the delivery in to the forward line, but really, the personnel in our forward line hasn't helped. Cas, Jones, Lamb, Buckley, Armfield, Phillips are hardly going to scare an opposition backline coach.

LOVE THE DRAKE's 3 point plan to create a functional forward line;

• Drop Casboult
• Weiters to CHF
• Jacksch to FF (I can hear the groans but hear me out)

Our forward set up now has two KPP's who can kick straight. Granted Jacksh is out of favour and must show intensity, but he is a beautiful set shot at goal and only needs to get it 8 times to kick 3 goals. Levi would have to get it 28 times to kick 3 goals. I mulled over where best to play Weiters - but I liked the way he presented at CHF and gave our backline/midfielders a mobile target coming out of defence. I also think Jaksch is better suited near goal.

FORWARD LINE FOR ROUND 1;

CHF line: Silvagni Jaksch Wright
FF line: Pickett Weiters Curnow

The one thing in common all these players have is the ability to kick straight.

Sumner, Kerridge, Rowe/Phillips (as second ruck), Murphy/Gibbs/Cripps (resting) would also play through here, but I really like this as a starting 6 for round 1 (although the thought of Rance on Jaksch is not a pretty one).

This is my wish list - I am 99% they will go with Casboult over Jaksch for round 1, but if Cas continues to underperform/miss easy shots then I hope to see this set up.

Are you suggesting we "fix the forwardline" just for the upcoming season or are you looking at the long-term instead ??

 

[Jimmae]

Have you seen how many times they've tried this and they're completely ignored in favor of kicking it to a 4 on 2 contest?

These issues aren't new. They go back to when we had Fevola, Betts, etc. running around.

Weird how our forward line is full of players with no space to move while other teams have some forwards up the field stretching defensive zones and keeping the ball movement swift and precise.

Instead we've got Levi and some kids. Levi playing at FF is like throwing 20 spanners into a well-oiled machine and then acting surprised when the only way to get it working again is to forcibly remove all the spanners.

 

[mediumsizered]

I'm not so sure now Suds. Too many signs both on and off the field that the club is going back to its old ways....unfortunately.

I'd be interested to know which signs off the field are pointing to the club going back to its old ways.