Opinion Fixing our KPF problem

[captainrich]

in my opinion she is someone with no credibility and no class, came across one of her comments on facebook from her personal account, where she called a guy from stereosonic gay amongst other things while mocking him, if she really wants any a job in the field in the future don't think things like this are acceptable, atrocious

 

[Skoob]

Speculates a lot.








A lot.

 

[bato]

in my opinion she is someone with no credibility and no class, came across one of her comments on facebook from her personal account, where she called a guy from stereosonic gay amongst other things while mocking him, if she really wants any a job in the field in the future don't think things like this are acceptable, atrocious

She's gay herself, so she could have easily been just joking around with a mate.

We're here to talk forwards, not Paige Cardona's private life.

 

[1990crow]

For what it's worth I think Freeman will be a good one for you guys. Maybe not elite but certainly at the very least Josh Jenkins/Jarad Waite/Charlie Dixon level.

 

[Panthera]

For what it's worth I think Freeman will be a good one for you guys. Maybe not elite but certainly at the very least Josh Jenkins/Jarad Waite/Charlie Dixon level.

With our midfield / ruck power; our aim should be 100 goals out of Close / Freeman / Green

 

[Greggy85]

With our midfield / ruck power; our aim should be 100 goals out of Close / Freeman / Green

Add Paine to that list and you've got yourself a deal!

 

[jjami15]

With our midfield / ruck power; our aim should be 100 goals out of Close / Freeman / Green

Is this next season or after? If its next season I think you might be sadly dissapointed but in saying that and if it did? That would be a very big step to a good season.

 

[Panthera]

Is this next season or after? If its next season I think you might be sadly dissapointed but in saying that and if it did? That would be a very big step to a good season.

We'll I'd expect 70 between Close & Green in 2015, but not pinning hopes on Freeman delivering the other 30.

Green kicked 33 from 20 games with minimal F50 entries and horrid supply...40+ goals is highly achievable for him.

With Close, I see him playing most games next season, so 30 goals should definitely be a target of his. I'd love to see an early bag of 5 goals; anything could happen from there.

Freeman is still in project mode; 10-15 games, lots of ups and downs etc.

 

[a mayes ing]

We'll I'd expect 70 between Close & Green in 2015, but not pinning hopes on Freeman delivering the other 30.

Green kicked 33 from 20 games with minimal F50 entries and horrid supply...40+ goals is highly achievable for him.

With Close, I see him playing most games next season, so 30 goals should definitely be a target of his. I'd love to see an early bag of 5 goals; anything could happen from there.

Freeman is still in project mode; 10-15 games, lots of ups and downs etc.

Close got 10 goals last season. So you expect him to triple that? I don't think that will happen. I really like Close and think he will be a very good forward (more of a 2nd forward) but he needs to work on several things first. Would love him to get 30 but can't see it happening.

 

[Quigley]

Close got 10 goals last season. So you expect him to triple that? I don't think that will happen. I really like Close and think he will be a very good forward (more of a 2nd forward) but he needs to work on several things first. Would love him to get 30 but can't see it happening.

It does happen a fair bit where guys jump from 10 goals to 30 after a few years in the system. Kennedy and Schultz are two that did it. If Close plays most games I would expect him to return around the 30 mark. More likely in the 25-30 range than 30-35 but the latter would be easily acheivable. Although I don't see him as a natural forward picking up 1.5 goals a game with improved service should be well on the cards.

 

[Ironmonger]

We'll I'd expect 70 between Close & Green in 2015, but not pinning hopes on Freeman delivering the other 30.

Green kicked 33 from 20 games with minimal F50 entries and horrid supply...40+ goals is highly achievable for him.

With Close, I see him playing most games next season, so 30 goals should definitely be a target of his. I'd love to see an early bag of 5 goals; anything could happen from there.

Freeman is still in project mode; 10-15 games, lots of ups and downs etc.

40 goals from Green would be a great return.

I don't really see Close as a genuine goalkicking forward. More like a roaming CHF who drifts forward and can kick the odd goal. I hope his priority is to get more of the footy up the ground next season, rather than to kick 30 goals. Frankly, trying to get picked each week should probably be his most important target.

EDIT: 30 goals in a season is actually harder to reach than it sounds. A quick look at the stats tells me there were fewer than 30 players who hit that mark last season, and most of them were midfielders. I think the youngest key forward to get to 30 goals would've been Tom Lynch, who's in a different class to Close.

Players who played pretty much a full season and didn't get to 30 include Jake Carlisle, Jon Patton, James Podsiadly and Joe Daniher.

 

[POBT]

Goals per game played as a forward is a better measure. If Close plays as a permanent forward, then I think 1.5 goals a game would be a very good return given where he is with his career. Then, if he plays 22 games, he'll exceed the 30 goal mark.

Interestingly, Browny averaged 1.9 goals a game last season, which put him 24th in the comp.

 

[a mayes ing]

If Merret goes back into the defensive group, would Close received the number 1 defender? Last season he was getting the number 2/3 behind Brown and Merret.

 

[Nunez]

If Merret goes back into the defensive group, would Close received the number 1 defender? Last season he was getting the number 2/3 behind Brown and Merret.

Staker will

 

[captainrich]

Staker will

there was an article about staker where he said he is predominantly working with the defensive group and will only swing forward every now and then

 

[POBT]

there was an article about staker where he said he is predominantly working with the defensive group and will only swing forward every now and then

Just for accuracy, that's not quite what was printed:

He has been training with the backline group but is also preparing to swing forward when required as he has for most of his 154-game career.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/br...fter-knee-injury/story-fndv8d6r-1227146391831


I didn't read a lot into that, to be honest.

 

[captainrich]

Just for accuracy, that's not quite what was printed:



http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/br...fter-knee-injury/story-fndv8d6r-1227146391831


I didn't read a lot into that, to be honest.

if you want to be knit picky you can, but it is normal to assume from that quote that he is probably being shifted to the backline and moving forward every now and then...though would be strange since merrett and mcstay also appear to be moving to the backline, paine and mcguane must be impressing in preseason

 

[Lace Out]

there was an article about staker where he said he is predominantly working with the defensive group and will only swing forward every now and then

I would find this very strange unless Merrett is forward.Depending on how Clarke is coping with the big forward I wouldn't mind seeing both Staker and Sauce up forward - I think that's about as dangerous we could look at this stage.Close,although showing a bit is no more than a third tall at the moment IMO.I would also rest Martin BACK to help out,he has the agility to help out there.Luey can rest forward.If we can generate more inside 50s I would like to see all of Staker,Sauce and Luey there 30-40 % of time.

 

[captainrich]

I would find this very strange unless Merrett is forward.Depending on how Clarke is coping with the big forward I wouldn't mind seeing both Staker and Sauce up forward - I think that's about as dangerous we could look at this stage.Close,although showing a bit is no more than a third tall at the moment IMO.I would also rest Martin BACK to help out,he has the agility to help out there.Luey can rest forward.If we can generate more inside 50s I would like to see all of Staker,Sauce and Luey there 30-40 % of time.

from the articles I've read I've interpreted (and its not fact so no one throws in an express quote) merrett is pretty keen to move back and help out, which is why I thought Staker should be playing forward. Also agree on Martin resting back and Leuy resting forward, unfortunately its a bit harder to move around defensive structures in games

 

[POBT]

if you want to be knit picky you can, but it is normal to assume from that quote that he is probably being shifted to the backline and moving forward every now and then...though would be strange since merrett and mcstay also appear to be moving to the backline, paine and mcguane must be impressing in preseason

Didn't mean to offend. You're obviously reading more into it than I am.

 

[jjami15]

In regards to Staker I would think that bringing him back through the backline during pre-season is a smart move. He's had a lot of time out of footy and I think that as pre-season progresses and if his body can hold up to it then he'll move into the forward line. Well I'm hoping.

 

[Panthera]

Close got 10 goals last season. So you expect him to triple that? I don't think that will happen. I really like Close and think he will be a very good forward (more of a 2nd forward) but he needs to work on several things first. Would love him to get 30 but can't see it happening.

There has been some positive reinforcements that may assist



Not sure whose midfield runs deeper in terms of quality, considering I haven't included Mayes, Aish, Taylor, C.Beams, Robinson, Paparone, Bewick, Lester, Robertson & O'Brien.

Actually, pound for pound - we have the best in the AFL, especially considering our rucks are quality around the ground.

If Close plays 22 games as a forward and doesn't kick 30 goals, I'd be a tad bemused

 

[winged1]

With all the players supposedly running with the backs group, do we have any forwards left?

 

[SizeMatters]

I'm bored atm and thinking about out forward line I'm actually fairly confident close and freeman will take the next step. Most KPP start showing something in thier 3rd or 4th year and since both have shown something in thier second and first years respectably I am actually fairly relaxed about it all. I mean if it all goes to hell and they fail we could always throw 1m a year at Cameron it Hawkins and more if need be.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Also had a window of nothingness this afternoon so started prepping/researching some info for questions in this years Bigfooty Quiz. Interestingly came across some stats that I thought might add some clarity to a couple of the opinions already put forward in this thread.

With our midfield / ruck power; our aim should be 100 goals out of Close / Freeman / Green

Goals per game played as a forward is a better measure. If Close plays as a permanent forward, then I think 1.5 goals a game would be a very good return given where he is with his career. Then, if he plays 22 games, he'll exceed the 30 goal mark.

Interestingly, Browny averaged 1.9 goals a game last season, which put him 24th in the comp.

Goals per game is an obvious starting point but I’d suggested using the average registered scoring shots per game with added inclusion of an accuracy %. On last years numbers Michael Close only averaged 1 shot at goal per game although of all the players going on to play again this year at the Lions with 10 or more registered scoring shots both Green [71.74%] and Close[71.43%] had accuracy percentages that ranked 2 and 3 respectively – (Freeman only had 9 registered scoring shots last year but his accuracy percentage of 66.67% would have ranked him 4th – Rocky with 76.92% is currently ranked #1)

I'm bored atm and thinking about out forward line I'm actually fairly confident close and freeman will take the next step. Most KPP start showing something in thier 3rd or 4th year and since both have shown something in thier second and first years respectably I am actually fairly relaxed about it all. I mean if it all goes to hell and they fail we could always throw 1m a year at Cameron it Hawkins and more if need be.

40 goals from Green would be a great return.

I don't really see Close as a genuine goalkicking forward. More like a roaming CHF who drifts forward and can kick the odd goal. I hope his priority is to get more of the footy up the ground next season, rather than to kick 30 goals. Frankly, trying to get picked each week should probably be his most important target.

EDIT: 30 goals in a season is actually harder to reach than it sounds. A quick look at the stats tells me there were fewer than 30 players who hit that mark last season, and most of them were midfielders. I think the youngest key forward to get to 30 goals would've been Tom Lynch, who's in a different class to Close.

Players who played pretty much a full season and didn't get to 30 include Jake Carlisle, Jon Patton, James Podsiadly and Joe Daniher.

So… by calculating the raw numbers [average registered scoring shots, accuracy% from 2014] for Green, Close and Freeman [assuming they all play 22 games] then sadly the high bar benchmark of 100 goals will not be reached – falling short by almost 15 goals.


BUT… with the possible constant additions of D.Beams, Rich, Christensen and even Robinson inside 50’s should/will increase. Add to this my recently read ‘next BIG Stat’ of scores from repeat inside 50’s or where the forward/mid pressure causes a turnover from an opposition rebounding 50 turnover [yep – read it and weep… forget looking at thighs, it’s time to acknowledge the huge relevance of dirty balls out of the oppositions defensive 50 now becoming the new BIG SizeMatters factor ]