Fixing the New York Knicks!

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Poor on court
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Ok, So this franchise is up shit creek. 23-59 in 07/08 and bad contracts. Very bleak. However Isiah Thomas is gone and with new coach, former Suns Head Coach Mike D'Antoni now taking over the future looks just a little bit brighter. What can we expect from the Knicks and ideally what should the Knicks do this offseason.​

Ok so here is the Roster Situation...​



This is a team that only managed 23 wins last year, 3 of which in the last 6 games, hence decreasing lottery position by two. Changes must be made. They also have the 6th selection in the 2008 NBA draft.

There are no doubt changes must be made.

In my opinion Randolph, Curry and Crawford must go. There is no second way about it. They clogg up to much cap space for so little performance. Thankfully Marburys contract is expiring as is Rose's.

We need to get a franchise player into the team. However I cant see this happening with the 6th pick or by trade. Guys like Gilbert Arenas and Baron Davis have apparently shown interest in join the Knicks but realistically I can't see it happening. Ron Artest is another who has reportedly shown interest.Despite he not being a franchise player I personally hope that we make a play at him despite his off court problems. As long as he doesnt cost too much he would be well worth it.

The fact is this franchise is in trouble town and will be for a while. How can we fix this mess?
 

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It has to be a true rebuilding mission.

The first thing they need to do is to get rid of Marbury. With his 20m expiring contract they may be able to get something half decent for him but i suspect that 20m is too much for teams to match. They must do the same with Malik Rose.

One of Crawford / Richardson needs to be traded out for a young guy / draft picks.

They are going to have to stick with Randolf because quite simply no one will take that contract. They should get rid of Curry because these 2 don't work well together.

1 thing they cannot and must not do is get more players with big contracts. The state is getting sick of them so they may aswell stay down the bottom for 1 more year.
 

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Rebuilding the Knicks completely will take 3-4 seasons, unless their draft pick ends up being a true franchise player.

if i were GM the first thing i'd do is buyout Randolph's big ass contract.
 

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This season coming we won't be making too many changes that are going to make the win column move.
Marbury stays this season, he's willing and happy to work within the D'Antoni system....but that doesn't really matter. I wouldn't have a problem with him staying this season and having $21 mill come off the books at the end of the season...along with $7-8 Mill with Malik Rose.
Our problem has been dumping these guys with big contracts off to other teams for something decent.....but we always pick up crap. E.g shipping Penny Hardaway's huge deal to Orlando for Steve Francis, within a month of that deal we needed to find a way of dealing with that as well.

Someone needs to look at the big picture and realise we need to fix our salary problems....it's going to mean long tough years being a 25-30 win team. I don;t think dealing big expiring contracts is going to pick us up a player to have a successful career in NYC.
These shitty Jerome James deals need to expire or it's going to continue to be a big ugly circle of pain.
 

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Randolph's contract is bad, but not as bad as Q-Rich, who is only good for tapping Brandy. AT least Randolph is capable of winning games.

So hard to change the ways of this team but. They need to find a few gullible teams to take Marbury and Q-Rich. Jermoe James and Malik Rose are the worst contracts ever(6 Mil for ____ all). If they stick with Crawford, Randolph, Curry, Lee, Balkman and Robinson they have a good enough core to at least do better than 23 games.

people may think different but I actually think Crawford has his moments and will be ok if the team is going ok, Marbury is a mess though, even before the bad stuff that happened with the passing of his father.

I agree though, Fixing the Knicks mess is going to take 3 years at least.
 

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No need worrying about Marbury and Rose. They can stay on this year and let their contracts run out. That takes $29.5 million dollars off the cap for the 09/10 season. Almost $30 mil for two guys that played 24 and 49 games respectivly last year and averaged 17 points per game between them.

Randolphs contract is bad yes, but I look at Curry's as possible worse considering their output. However neither seem to fit into Coach D'Antoni's fast paced offence.

I have seen some suggestions to get rid of Randolphs contract.. One from RealGM involves.. Randolph and #6 to Milwaukee for Simmons/Mason and #8. Bucks get a 20-10 PF and move up 2 selections, Knicks get a salary they can dump after 2 years.

However I have seen nothing great with Curry. Two years of player options that no doubt he will except leaves Knicks in a lot of trouble. How on earth can they get rid of him? On Real GM again there was a suggestion, on trade pick 8 with Curry, Rose and Chandler for Abdul Rahim and Brad Miller and the 12th pick.

Crawford will at least give some solid output for his dosh unlike Curry. Richardson, James and Jeffries contracts are also much longer than you would want. Sooner their out the better, hopefully package them with Curry/Randolph, but in all likelyhood thats asking a bit to much.

Personally I still want Artest. And it could happen (http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/53230). It will cost a lot but if we can get Sac to do a sign and trade deal with us we can dump a salary and get a player with leadership that is a star at both ends of the floor.
 
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Patience is the key word! They must let all contracts expire unless they get a player that has a shorter deal in return! No exceptions!!!!!!

They will suck until 2011 but atleast they will probably have 3 top 5 picks to build around plus cap space by then. And it shouldn't be hard to attract a star free agent to New York considering the quality of kids they will have by then, the history of the place, the city, etc etc!
 

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Personally I still want Artest. And it could happen (http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/53230). It will cost a lot but if we can get Sac to do a sign and trade deal with us we can dump a salary and get a player with leadership that is a star at both ends of the floor.
I don't think so dude!

Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs have publicly stated over and over again that they are looking to clear cap space for the 2010 free agency period. They have also said that the only way they go away from that is if a deal comes up that is just too good to refuse which is highly unlikely.

Sacramento has its fair share of bad contracts. Kenny Thomas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Mikki Moore (although only partly guaranteed for the 3rd year) and even Brad Miller and John Salmons.

The good thing is, all of those bad contracts (excluding Salmons) are expiring in 2010 leaving us potentially with a lot of cap space to work with. In the mean time we will continue collecting lottery talent and hope to strike it big with one of those and sign a gun FA or 2 in 2010.

Lets get real here, Petrie is no Zeke ;)
 

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Sacramento has its fair share of bad contracts. Kenny Thomas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Mikki Moore (although only partly guaranteed for the 3rd year) and even Brad Miller and John Salmons.
Isn't he a MLE player? I'd say he's got a very decent contract given the way he played as a starter. Also, he'd probably be expected to start full-time at SF once Artest goes in 2009.
 

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Isn't he a MLE player? I'd say he's got a very decent contract given the way he played as a starter. Also, he'd probably be expected to start full-time at SF once Artest goes in 2009.
Not full MLE but was just a tad under the MLE.

No doubt he is a pretty decent player when he is given starter minutes. Good scorer and a very good defender. However, his value deteriorates when he is played off the bench. He just sooks and doesn't produce unless of course he gets his 36+ minutes per game.

If Artest opts out or is traded, I suspect Salmons will start at SF since Garcia is infinitly better off the bench than Salmons.
 

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Do you think its possible that the Knicks could end up with Artest Stiffy? If so what trade woul you be expecting
Very much doubtful considering who is running the show in NY these days ;)

For starters, Donnie Walsh knows first hand how destructive Ron Artest can be to a franchise so I very much doubt he would be interested in the slightest of getting Artest.

Secondly, Artest is the epitomy of anti D'Antoni (aka Mr Pringles) type player. Mr Pringles' offence is based on ball movement, Artest is a black hole on the offence and gets out of control pretty often.

Bottom line, I can see Artest being shown the door out of Sacramento but I don't see NY Knicks opening their door to him.

When Zeke was in charge, Petrie wanted Lee, Robinson and to dump a bad contract which Zeke wasn't interested in. Can't see Petrie's demands changing considring the direction he is taking the Kings in.
 

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I don't think the Knicks are as bad as they seem, Isiah is just a weak dud coach who simply can't run a team on and off the court. Clearly a few obvious players had 0 respect for him and his authority as a coach. Those top 5 salary earners have plenty of talent, a few shortcomings yes but not enough to have been so awful in one of the most awful conferences in NBA history.
 

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I don't think the Knicks are as bad as they seem, Isiah is just a weak dud coach who simply can't run a team on and off the court. Clearly a few obvious players had 0 respect for him and his authority as a coach. Those top 5 salary earners have plenty of talent, a few shortcomings yes but not enough to have been so awful in one of the most awful conferences in NBA history.
Nothing to do with Isiah (as coach - everything to do with Isiah as GM).

Pretty much everyone could see that the Knicks were going to suck going into this season - the team was constructed like Isiah was playing NBA Live:

C & PF. Most effective big guys are the tubs of lard that can back down anyone. Curry and Randolph it is!
PG: You need an athletic slasher here, who can just drive in and dish to 3-point shooters. Stephon Marbury!
SG & SF: Only relevant skills are 3-point shooting. Q-Rich and Crawford!

The problem is, in real life bball, you can't have that many one-dimensional players.

In particular, the pairing of Curry and Randolph was hilarious. Anyone who's ever played pick-up ball would know just how terrible it is playing with two guys who both think they're Shaq. Clogs everything.
 

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Nothing to do with Isiah (as coach - everything to do with Isiah as GM).

Pretty much everyone could see that the Knicks were going to suck going into this season - the team was constructed like Isiah was playing NBA Live:

C & PF. Most effective big guys are the tubs of lard that can back down anyone. Curry and Randolph it is!
PG: You need an athletic slasher here, who can just drive in and dish to 3-point shooters. Stephon Marbury!
SG & SF: Only relevant skills are 3-point shooting. Q-Rich and Crawford!

The problem is, in real life bball, you can't have that many one-dimensional players.

In particular, the pairing of Curry and Randolph was hilarious. Anyone who's ever played pick-up ball would know just how terrible it is playing with two guys who both think they're Shaq. Clogs everything.
And we haven't even starting to discuss Curry and ZeBo on the defensive end :eek:

When Zeke got Randolph plenty of us on this board said it was laughable as Curry - Randolph pairing was NEVER going to work offensvely or defensively.

That roster is a crapshoot. It has some interesting young players but the vets are just a crappy collection of mismatched pieces. Individually they might be good players in the right environment but together they are just shocking.

For example, I could see Randolph being a good 20/10 PF on a team like the 76ers that need that tub of lard to throw his weight around in the low post. His defensive deficiencies can somewhat be offset by Dalembert. In NY, with Curry and in D'Antoni's offense he just plain sucks!
 

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In that case what do you think of the Randolph and #6 for Reggie Evans and #16 rumors that have been going around? Personally, I'm undecided. Gets rid of the contract but its a fair move down in the picks.
 

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In that case what do you think of the Randolph and #6 for Reggie Evans and #16 rumors that have been going around? Personally, I'm undecided. Gets rid of the contract but its a fair move down in the picks.
As Philly coach in the BigFooty 2008 NBA draft i'd pull the trigger on that trade immediately. Sounds like Isiah is still in charge over there :thumbsu:
 

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It might sound great but remember it means you are paying Randolph $17mil in 3 years time. Of course New York won't do this if they secure who they want in the draft with the #6
 

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It might sound great but remember it means you are paying Randolph $17mil in 3 years time. Of course New York won't do this if they secure who they want in the draft with the #6
Who would they want other than OJ Mayo to not trade it?

Taking on a high 3 year salary for a 20 & 10 PF (who won't be older than 30 at the end of his contract), moving up to 6 in the draft where they can land either a good combo guard or a replacement for an aging Andre Miller still works from my perspective. Pretty sure Webber's contract is off the books this year right? They have HEAPS of salary cap space if it is. They could offer max to Brand or Jamison easily if they wanted.
 

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As Philly coach in the BigFooty 2008 NBA draft i'd pull the trigger on that trade immediately. Sounds like Isiah is still in charge over there :thumbsu:
As the Knicks coach in the BigFooty 2008 NBA draft.... you can bite me.
You'd need to liquor me up pretty good and throw a few whores my way before i'd come close to considering that.
 
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