You've missed my point Biggy.Guess we should be aiming for second, then, like we did in 2013, 2016 and 2017. Or maybe 3rd like in 2014.
I do not think so. Even though we finished second a few times, we entered the finals far from favorites. We have not had a decent ruck play in a finals since 2011 neither have we had two decent key forwards, in fact our forward line as been a shambles for years. It has been a long time since we have ever been taken seriously as a premiership side and with good reason.I'm a bit with you me ol' China, we're in a great position right now and it is worthy of acknowledgement - and I've enjoyed every minute of it - but if we don't get the result at the end then it'll all quickly be consigned to the Vault of Horrors. That's just footy. As you point out, Chris Scott has had the club in strong positions on an almost yearly basis without planting a flag on the Moon. I wanna witness that one giant leap for Cat kind one more time (at least).
I didn't state we were favourites in any of those years, merely that we were in a strong (i.e. top 4) position.I do not think so. Even though we finished second a few times, we entered the finals far from favorites. We have not had a decent ruck play in a finals since 2011 neither have we had two decent key forwards, in fact our forward line as been a shambles for years. It has been a long time since we have ever been taken seriously as a premiership side and with good reason.
It is half way through the season and it seems it is likely we will finish in the top 4 and likely top 2. Speculating on anything else at this stage and setting pass marks is absurd. I guess I'm one of the older ones who lived through 89 and the 90s and have not forgotten 2008. Winning a premiership is very difficult, it was Scott who said after the siren in the GF in 2011, "...you cannot overestimate the part played by luck in winning a premiership"!!!
well 'they' say that the first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem, so you're probably right that it's a good sign for the club to acknowledge that they've fallen short of expectations in (some) recent seasons given the position they'd attained prior to finals ..At least they are acknowelding it.. plenty has been said by them about Sept and finals and past performance and lack of it..
I'd trade in all Geelong's McClelland's for one more flag.My big concern is our record after the bye. We will have the bye after Round 23, followed by a second potential bye assuming we are top 4 and we win the first final.
I also agree if we finish minor premiers, anything other than losing in a PF in a tight game is a fail. I think the PF is the big danger game assuming we make it.
I think we will win the Minor Premiership, and to a certain degree, that's still something.
Providing we don't lose one of Hawkins, Dangerfield or Kelly; then we are right in the race. They are our most difficult to replace, and probably in that order.
We have good stocks in the defence and ruck, and even the small forward department this year.
The young guys have been in the system for a few years now, so they should be fine come end of season - I wouldn't be worrying about the likes of say Henry, O'Connor, Atkins. Miers has a big engine, so I'm not concerned about him either, seems to be getting better each week. The only one that may need a rest towards back end is probably Clark, who had a limited preseason with his glandular fever, but he's a running and natural footballer type so I reckon he'll be fine also. If we finish top 4, which is very likely, we will have two byes, which will freshen these guys up quite a bit.Let’s try and break down what is/might be different about this season
PERCEIVED PROBLEMS ADDRESSED
* performance at the G improved
* more finals orientated game style
* Deadwood (mostly) trimmed
* Functional and more structured forward line with goal kicking spread and ability to apply more ‘forward pressure’
* Less reliance on a limited cohort of players with deeper midfield.
* A clear and present team cohesion/sense of purpose that seemed to be missing in the last couple of years (and can often prove to be the difference in the big dances.)
STILL TO BE ADDRESSED
* performances after a bye
- Can the younger guys keep it up for the whole season and/or will they get overwhelmed by the big stage
- some of the experienced guys have a record of poor/uninspired performances when the heat is on
- How will Scott and co deal with the inevitable scrutiny and apprehension that will surely descend on them before
the finals as our ‘poor record’ becomes a talking point. Does this also flow on to the playing group as a collective(?)
Can’t truly blame coaching for some of our finals mares but surely must take some of the heat. How will he/they adapt.
Love have heart monitor on Scott in the first quarter of next final we play..
Normally don’t do this...I’ll go early and say Flag
Bulldogs 2nd half of 2016 were the closest thing to a dominant side. Only it was the second half of the season and hard to identify them as that. I give credit to my youngest son who said just before the H&A finished that the bullies were smashing the comp considering they heaps of players yet to come in.Hasn’t been a really dominant team for a while, the Crows in 2017 and Tigers last year were at various stages looking close it it. Cautionary tale there.
If we go 20-2 or 19-3, huge pressure comes. Slight worry is we don’t face Giants, Pies or Eagles again in home and away to get a guide.
We are in a strong position now, half way through the season. Anything can happen. Placing expectations and pass marks at this stage might be good for you but I hope the team is focused on resting this week and then on beating Port in Adelaide the week after the bye.I didn't state we were favourites in any of those years, merely that we were in a strong (i.e. top 4) position.
4 top 4 finishes since 2011 and not one GF appearance to show for it; you're a bit more forgiving than I am apparently S2 - in that time we've seen 2 teams that finished lower than us after the H&A rounds take their chances in September and now they've got a shiny cup to show for it (including one team with no key forwards or ruckmen to speak of at all).
I never claimed winning a flag was easy, and like yourself I lived through every single one of those GF losses.
I think the way some of the aforementioned seasons have ended - so dismally and wastefully - gives supporters every reason to speculate and set pass marks.
Like I said, I'm enjoying the journey, but I've got half on eye on the destination too, and given recent history I've a mind to temper my own expectations.
really? from round 11: 4 losses, 5 wins by 10 points or less (3 against non-finalists, and 3 under a goal), 1 win against 8th by 14 points, and 2 decent wins against the spooners and 15th placed GC...Bulldogs 2nd half of 2016 were the closest thing to a dominant side. Only it was the second half of the season and hard to identify them as that. I give credit to my youngest son who said just before the H&A finished that the bullies were smashing the comp considering they heaps of players yet to come in.
we are agreed on the bolded Steady2.We are in a strong position now, half way through the season. Anything can happen. Placing expectations and pass marks at this stage might be good for you but I hope the team is focused on resting this week and then on beating Port in Adelaide the week after the bye.
St Kilda were by far the best team in 2009 and lost just two games right at the end of the season which had no bearing on the ladder. They ended up facing us in the GF. After an injury plagued season we had almost our best team ready, it rained reducing Riewoldts effectiveness and some nerves from some of the younger Saints all played into our hands. Some luck and a lot determination to claim redemption for the previous year, the Saints lost, only just. It was their best chance and they still remain flag barren since 1966.
The lid is firmly on for me. It is a marathon not a sprint and we are halfway.