Religion Folau

[Kurve]

It used to be a real source of shame in this country to put your hand out and take welfare.

Now, apparently it’s only a source of shame to do it, if you are genuinely in need, homeless, or unemployed.

I understand this well. Over the years I've done a lot of work for the disadvantaged, homeless and people leaving violent relationships, devised a scheme in conjunction with my business at the time I could wangle furniture and white goods for them at little cost which I absorbed was one thing. Their sense of shame was obvious, I felt it so much that I don't even like talking about it, as if it should be a secret and their dignity is more important than my need to boast about helping.

Folau the multi millionaire is entirely shameless and I wouldn't give him a cent.

 

[GuzzLG]

Slippery slope fallacy.
Try to keep the argument rational.

Not at all. You’re being irrational by suggesting free speech simply means you have the ability to speak.

What if it was something said verbally? It can’t be removed, it’s out there.

Everyone has the ABILITY to speak. If you equate that to freedom of speech then the freedom means nothing.

 

[skipper kelly]

I don't care if he uses my money to buy another Lamborghini.

I'm paying for the feeling I get that I'm contributing to the fight to protect freedom of speech in Australia and to send the PC crowd a message that people are sick and tired of being bullied and silenced.

I feel like a bit of a hero.

Save your tears for someone else.

Respect for honesty

 

[Downhill Skier]

What the hell are you on about?

He condemned about 7 groups of people to hell.

 

[GuzzLG]

He condemned about 7 groups of people to hell.

And offered salvation.

What a charitable guy.

 

[Downhill Skier]

I understand this well. Over the years I've done a lot of work for the disadvantaged, homeless and people leaving violent relationships, devised a scheme in conjunction with my business at the time I could wangle furniture and white goods for them at little cost which I absorbed was one thing. Their sense of shame was obvious, I felt it so much that I don't even like talking about it, as if it should be a secret and their dignity is more important than my need to boast about helping.

Folau the multi millionaire is entirely shameless and I wouldn't give him a cent.

What about that stupid Greeny campaigner Sarah Hansen Young , she has used Go Fund Me to campaign for a legal fund against another politician

 

[Sainteric]

What about that stupid Greeny campaigner Sarah Hansen Young , she has used Go Fund Me to campaign for a legal fund against another politician

There is one set of rules for the left

 

[romeohwho]

Who are pig ignorant enough to believe this is about freedom of speech and this could lead to the sky falling in, because Alan Jones, Bolt and the rest keep repeating it.

It’s a workplace relations dispute.

Plain and simple.

Agree- and he broke the conditions of his contract. It’s pretty clear cut from what I have read. Nothing to do with freedom of speech as such.

 

[Kurve]

What about that stupid Greeny campaigner Sarah Hansen Young , she has used Go Fund Me to campaign for a legal fund against another politician

Go Fund Me could have cancelled her campaign if went against their policy but I don't particularly like that organisation and won't care if it too gets cancelled.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

What about that stupid Greeny campaigner Sarah Hansen Young , she has used Go Fund Me to campaign for a legal fund against another politician

Why don't you send them an email to see if her campaign contravened their policies?

 

[GuzzLG]

What about that stupid Greeny campaigner Sarah Hansen Young , she has used Go Fund Me to campaign for a legal fund against another politician

How many children died from not being able to pay for their operation because of her greed?

 

[Downhill Skier]

Why don't you send them an email to see if her campaign contravened their policies?

It’s not about the cancellation of the policy . It’s the greed comments that I am seeing directed at Folau.

In his case Folau actually is the little guy atleast

 

[Echoes]

Isn't Folau's tweet still up?

His speech hasn't been stifled at all.

If I could be bothered wading through however many months worth of this garbage his page contains, I would dig it out. Could almost guarantee it’s still there.

Unless Folau took it down himself?

 

[Mofra]

Not at all. You’re being irrational by suggesting free speech simply means you have the ability to speak.

What if it was something said verbally? It can’t be removed, it’s out there.

Everyone has the ABILITY to speak. If you equate that to freedom of speech then the freedom means nothing.

No, freedom of speech generally refers to the freedom to speak without persecution from authorities.

Folau has not been subject to an order to remove his material by any CLEA, he has simply breached the terms of his employment. He contests this breach and will test the legality of RLA's conduct through the court system.

You're fanciful scenario has no place among rational discussion. Nobody is suggesting he be jailed.

 

[GuzzLG]

No, freedom of speech generally refers to the freedom to speak without persecution from authorities.

Folau has not been subject to an order to remove his material by any CLEA, he has simply breached the terms of his employment. He contests this breach and will test the legality of RLA's conduct through the court system.

You're fanciful scenario has no place among rational discussion. Nobody is suggesting he be jailed.

No.

You suggested that the mere fact that his post was still up ipso facto proves no restraint on his freedom.

It doesn’t.

 

[Kwality]

Over-egging again Ron.

One of Netball New Zealand's major sponsors, ANZ, has raised concerns about Maria Folau's support for her husband, Israel Folau, but the governing body is standing by its star player.

In a statement, ANZ, the naming rights sponsor of the domestic premiership, said it does not support "the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau" and has made its position known to Netball NZ, but will continue with its support for the game in general.

Another sponsor, MYOB, said in a statement that it had reminded Netball NZ that it expects it to share and express its "values of diversity, tolerance and inclusion" but took no position on Maria, even when pressed.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Corporates sponsorships used be pulled in the event of misdemeanours.
IF you follow Union you will know Qantas has for some time demanded more & ongoing poor management has rendered the code in a precarious financial position & in no position to stand firm a

 

[skipper kelly]

I can't believe people are giving their money to a millionaire!

Now excuse me while I give my money to Gil McLaughlin, Richard Colless et al, and a bunch of footballers on 300k per year (plus free cars and drink cards).

Are you people listening to yourselves?

People don't get sarcasm these days.

 

[Echoes]

In his case Folau actually is the little guy atleast

What garbage

 

[Father Jack]

I'm loving the fundamentalists fighting basically the same fight against this imaginary PC bogeyman that they fought and lost against in the SSM debate. They'll lose this too, no matter the outcome of the court case. If Christianity wants to be known to all as fierce supporters of bigotry, they're welcome to to do so, and they're welcome to the consequences too.

 

[M Malice]

I don't get the whole "this is a freedom of speech issue" crowd, nothing is stopping Folau from spewing forth more biblical bigotry and hypocrisy right now if he has the inclination.

 

[Sainteric]

I'm loving the fundamentalists fighting basically the same fight against this imaginary PC bogeyman that they fought and lost against in the SSM debate. They'll lose this too, no matter the outcome of the court case. If Christianity wants to be known to all as fierce supporters of bigotry, they're welcome to to do so, and they're welcome to the consequences too.

Father J the same people who supported SSM are the same ones supporting folau

 

[Echoes]

I don't get the whole "this is a freedom of speech issue" crowd, nothing is stopping Folau from spewing forth more biblical bigotry and hypocrisy right now if he has the inclination.

That’s it.

Let’s be honest.

They just want the right to be able to do it on social media, without consequence.

That’s the only ‘freedom of speech’ they are concerned about defending.

 

[Kurve]

 

[Echoes]

This is a money grab, plain and simple.

 

[Opine]

I don't get the whole "this is a freedom of speech issue" crowd, nothing is stopping Folau from spewing forth more biblical bigotry and hypocrisy right now if he has the inclination.

In referring to the contents of his post as biblical bigotry and hypocrisy is it right to assume your not a follower of a Christian religious faith or the like?