Religion Folau

[Gough]

The ACL is a specifically anti gay group regardless of what they may say. The vast majority of it's statements are about homosexuality, it just uses christianity to justify them.

 

[RupieDupie]

That’s it.

Let’s be honest.

They just want the right to be able to do it on social media, without consequence.

That’s the only ‘freedom of speech’ they are concerned about defending.

Imagine what would happen to the ACL if this is recognised for what it truly is

 

[M Malice]

In referring to the contents of his post as biblical bigotry and hypocrisy is it right to assume your not a follower of a Christian religious faith or the like?

Spot on Opine, I am an atheist when it comes to institutionalized religion, biggest load of horse shit and an amazing con perpetrated on the human race IMO.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This is no more than an employment law breach-of-contract issue, and I strongly suspect the court will find it that way.

Folau signed a contract in full knowledge of the clauses therein, he breached that contract, he was given a warning (I suspect RA didn't even have to, but they tried to be accommodating) and he breached it a second time. Open and shut case.

Having said that, in terms of the morality at play, I'm with ethicist Peter Singer on this -

If you're gay and not a Christian, you don't believe in heaven and hell, so Folau's words are meaningless silly rubbish.

And if you are gay and a Christian, well Folau was simply quoting directly from the words of St Paul, probably the second-most important Christian figure after Christ himself. So your problem is with Christianity, not Folau per se, and that's a matter for you and your church.

 

[Tiger08]

I really think this case had an impact with the last election because people are thinking if you can get sacked for quoting the bible with a conservative government and a Christian PM, what will happen when the left gets in again!

The other interesting thing I find is how readily Large Corporates pile on the various social justice causes. Lots of people wonder why.. firstly in my view is obviously they don't want to risk the negative publicity of the leftie hate machine. There's whole teams set up to manage reputation risk and they see supporting these causes as very, very easy wins.

But secondly, Lefty interest group also have a very deliberate strategy of bringing senior execs at large corporates on board to promote their cause within their company. That means organising guest speakers, attending functions for the cause or sending out promotional material to all staff. Essentially the exec uses the cause as a chance to build their own profile internally/externally and advance their career (lets be honest, probably the key driver in most cases..) Anyone subordinate to that person sees all this is then pressured to support if they want to move up, or atleast wouldn't dare speak against it at work again.

 

[Balls In]

Haha no-one does own goals like the left. Constantly misreading the views of good hardworking Australians who hate injustice rammed down their throats by the PC thought police. Whats is hilarious is that most dont even like Folou. What an example this is becoming!!

 

[Echoes]

Haha no-one does own goals like the left. Constantly misreading the views of good hardworking Australians who hate injustice rammed down their throats by the PC thought police. What an example this is becoming!!

I’m sorry, what has happened to good hardworking Australians again?

 

[GuzzLG]

That’s it.

Let’s be honest.

They just want the right to be able to do it on social media, without consequence.

That’s the only ‘freedom of speech’ they are concerned about defending.

When the consequences include losing your job, that job having nothing whatsoever to do with the subject matter of your speech then people think that is wrong

People are genuinely worried about how it may impact them if employers can get away with it. People genuinely don’t feel as if they can speak freely about their views at work. In Folau’s case he wasn’t even at work.

Every place I’ve worked out shoves the same diversity and inclusion and pro LGBTI agenda down your throat.

I’d rather they just stop taking a stance in political issues and focus on making profits.

 

[Balls In]

I’m sorry, what has happened to good hardworking Australians again?

Injustice rammed down their throats by the PC thought police.. cant you read?

 

[Tiger08]

This is no more than an employment law breach-of-contract issue, and I strongly suspect the court will find it that way.

Folau signed a contract in full knowledge of the clauses therein, he breached that contract, he was given a warning (I suspect RA didn't even have to, but they tried to be accommodating) and he breached it a second time. Open and shut case.

Having said that, in terms of the morality at play, I'm with ethicist Peter Singer on this -

If you're gay and not a Christian, you don't believe in heaven and hell, so Folau's words are meaningless silly rubbish.

And if you are gay and a Christian, well Folau was simply quoting directly from the words of St Paul, probably the second-most important Christian figure after Christ himself. So your problem is with Christianity, not Folau per se, and that's a matter for you and your church.

I basically agree with all this. I said in a post just above that it impacted the election because "someone got sacked for quoting the bible".. the truth is it probably is just a matter of what is in the contract but that distinction probably isn't clear to the broader public unless they're really across the case.

Agree entirely with your points on the morality though.

 

[M Malice]

Every place I’ve worked out shoves the same diversity and inclusion and pro LGBTI agenda.

I’d rather they just stop taking a stance in political issues and focus on making profits.

I thought the agenda was for acceptance of diversity..... is there anything wrong with that?

 

[Gough]

When the consequences include losing your job, that job having nothing whatsoever to do with the subject matter of your speech then people think that is wrong

People are genuinely worried about how it may impact them if employers can get away with it. People genuinely don’t feel as if they can speak freely about their views at work. In Folau’s case he wasn’t even at work.

Every place I’ve worked out shoves the same diversity and inclusion and pro LGBTI agenda.

I’d rather they just stop taking a stance in political issues and focus on making profits.

Reading this reminds me why I enjoyed it when just being out was a political act. Sorry did I have to say I was gay first so you had a chance to hide your homophobia?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don't get the whole "this is a freedom of speech issue" crowd, nothing is stopping Folau from spewing forth more biblical bigotry and hypocrisy right now if he has the inclination.

Exactly, he's free to bow down to the flying spaghetti monster and declare that everyone else is going to burn in eternity......but that doesn't mean that he won't get a reaction/response.

He's just doesn't want there to be any consequences to his actions.

 

[Downhill Skier]

That’s it.

Let’s be honest.

They just want the right to be able to do it on social media, without consequence.

The shock and horror must be astounding . I mean who knew that Christianity held the belief that homosexuality was a sin and you would go to hell . I had no idea Christians held that belief

How about people realise the real world is full of offensive things and you can just choose to ignore it . There are laws in place as protection for things that cross the line but unless that law is crossed then grow up , move on and stop with the constant outrage

 

[Echoes]

Injustice rammed down their throats by the PC thought police.. cant you read?

Injustice?

Andrew Mallard was injustice. Daryl Beamish was injustice. John Button was injustice.

Israel Folau is just a greedy narcissist and a zealot.

 

[skipper kelly]

Slippery slope fallacy.
Try to keep the argument rational.

People that don't believe in a place in a fairytale are up in arms about being told they will go to this place in the fairytale if they don't repent to the ruler of this fairytale. Sorry not rational.

If this Rugby Union player has the not so secret keys to these places in the fairytale, and hates the people who display the behaviours he mentioned, then why would he give the answer to finding the keys to these places in the fairytale. Sorry not rational.

You would think there might be other motives at play here.

 

[Snake_Baker]

And here we go again.

Charity watchdog could investigate Australian Christian Lobby over Folau fundraiser

People are going to get their money to Folau if they have to deliver it in person. Let it happen.

Okay, now you can see the danger involved with these people gaining political clout.

The monster is emerging from it's womb.

 

[Mofra]

People that don't believe in a place in a fairytale are up in arms about being told they will go to this place in the fairytale if they don't repent to the ruler of this fairytale. Sorry not rational.

If this Rugby Union player has the not so secret keys to these places in the fairytale, and hates the people who display the behaviours he mentioned, then why would he give the answer to finding the keys to these places in the fairytale. Sorry not rational.

You would think there might be other motives at play here.

The main motive? $$$$$
That's the very reason terms like this exist for high profile sportsmen and women, protection of sponsorship dollars. People pretending this is a free speech issue are way off the mark.

Then we have the absurdity of a multi-millionaire raising funds for his legal defence.

 

[GuzzLG]

I thought the agenda was for acceptance of diversity..... is there anything wrong with that?

I think it’s not merely advocating for acceptance of it, but treating it as an aspiration and therefore influences recruitment and promotions.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The usual suspects are really starting to melt as the realisation of their impending loss comes to bear.

This is a little more important than political dick sizing mate.

These people are organised, permeating through academia and the bureaucracy, and want to seize political power.

 

[Sainteric]

This is no more than an employment law breach-of-contract issue, and I strongly suspect the court will find it that way.

Folau signed a contract in full knowledge of the clauses therein, he breached that contract, he was given a warning (I suspect RA didn't even have to, but they tried to be accommodating) and he breached it a second time. Open and shut case.

Having said that, in terms of the morality at play, I'm with ethicist Peter Singer on this -

If you're gay and not a Christian, you don't believe in heaven and hell, so Folau's words are meaningless silly rubbish.

And if you are gay and a Christian, well Folau was simply quoting directly from the words of St Paul, probably the second-most important Christian figure after Christ himself. So your problem is with Christianity, not Folau per se, and that's a matter for you and your church.

Sorry but for ffffffffffffsssssssssss this is not a breach of contract case , that is a state issue. This is unlawful dissmisal case federally, it has very little to do with the contract.

 

[Balls In]

Ha ha the main issue is the conduct of Rugby Australia, Gofundme and the ANZ. Not some random religious loon doing random religiously motivated loon things. Netball got it right.

 

[Maggie5]

The shock and horror must be astounding . I mean who knew that Christianity held the belief that homosexuality was a sin and you would go to hell . I had no idea Christians held that belief

How about people realise the real world is full of offensive things and you can just choose to ignore it . There are laws in place as protection for things that cross the line but unless that law is crossed then grow up , move on and stop with the constant outrage

Maybe you can choose to ignore how about young people that are going through their struggles with their sexuality?

 

[Gough]

This is a little more important than political dick sizing mate.

These people are organised, permeating through academia and the bureaucracy, and want to seize political power.

Didn't you also say this morning that it's possible for the Libs to govern for the next twenty years? These people can't be very well organised if you think that could be the case.

 

[M Malice]

I think it’s not merely advocating for acceptance of it, but treating it as an aspiration and therefore influences recruitment and promotions.

An aspiration? WOW!

You don't aspire to be homosexual, you just are, there is no choice. I'm a man and am sexually attracted to women, some men are sexually attracted to other men plain and simple.

They could no more change or convert to the perceived "right way" than I could to homosexuality.