Religion Folau

[Mofra]

Do you think you might be overemphasising the mutterings of an idiot?

Again?

This entire thread is about the mutterings of an idiot.

 

[Opine]

How is it so inconceivable to you that a gay man would know about a pivotal moment in his people's history?

Only poster trying to distinguish between gay and straight men is you. I inferred nothing of the sort from his post.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Israel wants an apology, a large sum of cash and his Wallabies spot back.
He may well get the first two, but I very much doubt the latter will ever occur again.

 

[Snake_Baker]

This entire thread is about the mutterings of an idiot.

The only fault in this comment is that it appears to apply to only a single idiot. Let's put RA's legal advice team at the very top of this list.

 

[Mofra]

The only fault in this comment is that it appears to apply to only a single idiot. Let's put RA's legal advice team at the very top of this list.

I'm not even sure they looked at the issue, apparently it was a three-person panel who considered the issue in light of his previous warnings.

RA are screwed. They have made a commercial decision that has now been twisted into a free speech/religious freedom issue. It was always about protecting their sponsorship dollars, nothing more or less. Now they seem set to lose dollars whichever way a decision falls.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'm not even sure they looked at the issue, apparently it was a three-person panel who considered the issue in light of his previous warnings.

Well, there's governance idiocy for starters if they couldn't visualize this turning in to a storm.

RA are screwed. They have made a commercial decision that has now been twisted into a free speech/religious freedom issue. It was always about protecting their sponsorship dollars, nothing more or less. Now they seem set to lose dollars whichever way a decision falls.

Yes, they are mate. They should have shut up, and left this absurdity to continue to spiral to it's inevitable death.

 

[Sainteric]

I'm not even sure they looked at the issue, apparently it was a three-person panel who considered the issue in light of his previous warnings.

RA are screwed. They have made a commercial decision that has now been twisted into a free speech/religious freedom issue. It was always about protecting their sponsorship dollars, nothing more or less. Now they seem set to lose dollars whichever way a decision falls.

The problem was they legal process was not open transparent or broad. It was a narrow star chamber to get a result to keep Qantas happy. Total chaos and mis management from Castle and her cronies, in a sport that is stacked with religious people.

 

[Mofra]

The problem was they legal process was not open transparent or broad. It was a narrow star chamber to get a result to keep Qantas happy. Total chaos and management from Castle and her cronies, in a sport that is stacked with religious people.

RA haven't been managed well for years now, from the mouth of someone who is involved (former professional who played in England).
Union is in serious decline and this is just hastening it's spiral into minor-sport status in Australia. It has the private schools and the military but not too much support elsewhere.

 

[Sainteric]

All this on the eve of the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots. We've come so far since then and still we have to put up with mouth breathing f***wits like Israel Folau.

You could also point out that certain inflexible Gays are now oppressing others, which I hope wasn't the point of stonewall

I don't think you can take the moral high road here, should have left it at Folau's a dickhead

 

[Snake_Baker]

You could also point out the Gays are now oppressing others, which I hope wasn't the point of stonewall

I don't think you can take the moral high road here, should have left it at Folau's a dickhead

"Certain" gay folks.

There's plenty who roll their eyes at this crap.

 

[Sainteric]

RA haven't been managed well for years now, from the mouth of someone who is involved (former professional who played in England).
Union is in serious decline and this is just hastening it's spiral into minor-sport status in Australia. It has the private schools and the military but not too much support elsewhere.

The private schools have been wavering for a while this won't help given they are Christian, public schools are dead. The money is all spent at the top. It's a nothing sport now.

 

[Sainteric]

"Certain" gay folks.

There's plenty who roll their eyes at this crap.

Fair point

 

[Crankitup]

Israel wants an apology, a large sum of cash and his Wallabies spot back.
He may well get the first two, but I very much doubt the latter will ever occur again.

#3 might be possible if he accepts a much smaller #2.

 

[Opine]

Wouldn't it contravene basic human rights to attempt to contractually compel someone to act against their religious conscience?

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Apologies Snake, I just realised that you cited the UDHR which is an aspirational value based regime that Australia has signed up to. In any case, it would still have to be enacted into Australian legislation to constitute a valid right. The definition has been enacted, pretty much word for word, in the Victorian Human rights Charter; which I was referring to earlier.

 

[raskolnikov]

You’ll generally find it where someone is telling someone else what they‘re allowed to think and say. I guess these topics illicit a lot of people telling other people what they’re allowed to think and say.

I hate to break it to you, but people are allowed to think sinners will go to hell. You simply can’t demand everyone think like you. Such thinking will surely lead to challenges with mental health.

And people are allowed to call them out on it. The right wingers in this thread have been much more vocal then the lefties.

 

[Opine]

And people are allowed to call them out on it. The right wingers in this thread have been much more vocal then the lefties.

BTW, I owe you an apology for misconstruing your post yesterday, After understanding what you were pointing out, I want to say that your point was a damn fine one.

 

[Sainteric]

Apologies Snake, I just realised that you cited the UDHR which is a treaty based regime that Australia has signed up to. In any case, it would still have to be enacted into Australian legislation to constitute a valid right. The definition has been enacted, pretty much word for word, in the Victorian Human rights Charter; which I was referring to earlier.

It's not a treaty, it doesn't have to be ratified, Australia helped write it and Evatt forced it through as president of the UN general assembly

 

[Johnny Karate]

There’s not enough religious freedom in this country. Yes, there’s the right to worship without persecution. Some may also argue that religious schools get a lot of taxpayer money and are allowed more flexibility than government schools. Religious organisations are also exempt from tax on the funds they raise and lands that they own.

But it’s clearly an issue of religious freedom being eroded when high paid employees have their contracts rescinded because of their devout dedication to sharing spicy religious memes.

 

[raskolnikov]

Sexuality is a single facet of our nature, however some folks think it's the only defining trait,

Yep. Mostly the people who think it's a defining flaw and choose to discriminate on that basis.

and it comes with some type of implied elevation over and above the rest of humanity.

Bulls*it.

 

[Sainteric]

And people are allowed to call them out on it. The right wingers in this thread have been much more vocal then the lefties.

Again no one especially anyone not on the left would never say you can't call it out, infact they would celebrate it.

What you shouldn't do is use it as an excuse to discriminate against others and try to destroy people. And yes the left has-been very vocal about doing that on this thread.

 

[Opine]

It's not a treaty, it doesn't have to be ratified, Australia helped write it and Evatt forced it through as president of the UN general assembly

Still has to be enacted to constitute a right in home State. But, it can still serve as clarification in instances where there is ambiguity as to the scope of related piece of locally enacted legislation.

 

[Craven Morehead]

#3 might be possible if he accepts a much smaller #2.

It would tear apart an already fractured and under-performing team if he did.
The entire code in this country is under severe threat because of this stupid bloody circus.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The ones bankrolling him have enshrined discrimination in the law.

Yet that sits ok with plenty of free speech virtue signallers. This is a non issue.

 

[Opine]

This is a non issue.

To you perhaps.

 

[Sainteric]

The ones bankrolling him have enshrined discrimination in the law.

Yet that sits ok with plenty of free speech virtue signallers. This is a non issue.

The arrogance to say this is breath taking it matters very much to many. Discrimination is enshrined in our laws since the start.