Religion Folau

[Power Raid]

The group bankrolling him literally wants the right to discriminate. **** them and **** him.

I'm not sure what they want but the Folau case, it was limited to an unfair dismissal. It was the right decision for the ARL to take but nevertheless unfair.

It didn't become an anti-discrimination case as although a breach of 18c, the exemption clauses provided Folau protection. That said I'm a big believer in the removal of "offended" and ""insult", from 18c even if I find discrimination one of the most embarrassing and offensive acts to commit.

So I question, are they raising money for the right to discriminate......given the law already provides him protection? Or are they funding an unlawful dismissal case?

 

[skipper kelly]

I enjoy those sort of philosophical discussions but most people are just getting on with their everyday lives and dealing with it the best they can without worrying about such big meaning of life type questions.

Personally I couldn't give 2 hoots what some random birdbrained celebrity said about any group that I was part of. However it seems to me that a fair portion of the Homosexual population have taken serious offence to Folau's Instagram post, I have empathy for them and am trying to put myself in their shoes.

That's fair enough. He said I'm going to hell as well. Oh well.

 

[Echoes]

Its all good though these are the type of people which keep the libs in power, ordinary Australians dont care for the type of rubbish they spout.

Correct.

The Australian public doesn’t want identity politics, and no matter how hard they may be to accept, it wants to be able to speak basic truths (ie - Melbourne has an African gang problem, Islamic immigration is posing a challenge) without being labelled a racist or a bigot or xenophobic.

This is the greater sentiment that Folau and his benefactors are exploiting.

 

[go you pups]

So I question, are they raising money for the right to discriminate......given the law already provides him protection? Or are they funding an unlawful dismissal case?

Yeah I'm wondering about this too

There's more than enough for his unfair dismissal case, apparently it would only cost him in the range of 300-500k

Will we see campaigning/advertising from the Christian right? The money has to go somewhere.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The Australian public doesn’t want identity politics, and no matter how hard they may be to accept, it wants to be able to speak basic truths (ie - Melbourne has an African gang problem, Islamic immigration is posing a challenge) without being labelled a racist or a bigot or xenophobic.

You’re literally doing identity politics.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You’ll generally find it where someone is telling someone else what they‘re allowed to think and say. I guess these topics illicit a lot of people telling other people what they’re allowed to think and say.

I hate to break it to you, but people are allowed to think sinners will go to hell. You simply can’t demand everyone think like you. Such thinking will surely lead to challenges with mental health.

But still, it was a very good question by Soft Downhill Skier

 

[raskolnikov]

Lol. He wants an apology from RA for being a bigot.

 

[Kurve]

You understand the massive effort that went into shutting down extreme Islamic rhetoric over social media and the pressure that went on Australia's Imams? And why? What that rhetoric can lead to?
Hanan Dover lost her job over preaching against gay people at the university. I don't recall any protest.

We're compelled to exercise tolerance on the issue of religious expression, or intolerance depending on which side of the argument one sits. If you don't agree, which you're well within your rights not to, lobby for political change rather than attack Folau or others who share those belief/s.

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[Gough]

You’re literally doing identity politics.

Identity politics are issues like violence against women, talking about a Sudanese crime wave is just telling it like it is. Apparently.

 

[Echoes]

You’re literally doing identity politics.

No.

I’m critiquing identity politics.

There is a difference.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

No.

I’m critiquing identity politics.

There is a difference.

By introducing complaints about Sudanese and muslims.

You’re practicing identity politics.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Bulls*it.

How can you explain the lack of outrage from drunks, adulterers etc.?

Contemporary gay politics is predominately concerned with manufacturing heightened outrage in order to facilitate emotional leverage to gain some type of power.

 

[Power Raid]

Yeah I'm wondering about this too

There's more than enough for his unfair dismissal case, apparently it would only cost him in the range of 300-500k

Will we see campaigning/advertising from the Christian right? The money has to go somewhere.

Probably in the pocket of the righteous

 

[Echoes]

By introducing complaints about Sudanese and muslims.

You’re practicing identity politics.

No. Not introducing complaints.

Citing two examples of issues that people like you prevent the community from being able to have a calm, conversation about....thus feeding into the sense of resentment and concern over ‘freedom of speech’ in the community which has found an unfortunate outlet in Folau.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

No. Not introducing complaints.

Citing two examples of issues that people like you prevent the community from being able to have a calm, conversation about....thus feeding into the sense of resentment in the community which has found an unfortunate outlet in Folau.

Haha. Calm?

Progressives in that thread acknowledged there is an issue with some young Sudanese men. We agreed some mix of Longer sentences and community programs would help. But the racial panic was overboard.

You suggested the people bringing about their own street justice.

Your 2 allegations are both wrong. Rather than prevent discussion, we contributed to it. And our suggestions were rational, yours was based on emotion.

But again, it’s the rights nonsense political vocabulary that has created a rod for your own backs. ‘Identity politics’ is all some of you have.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Lol. He wants an apology from RA for being a bigot.

No, for the right to quote his religious doctrine.

FFS, you of all people should know that.

 

[M Malice]

How can you explain the lack of outrage from drunks, adulterers etc.?

Drunks are too drunk to give shit.
Adulterers aren't going to speak up and ruin their fun.
Atheists don't believe in hell so don't give a shit.
Liars are lying.
Fornicators are too busy f...i.. to give a shit.
Idolaters are too stupid to give a shit.
Thieves are too busy planning their next heist and want to fly under the radar.

+ the 7 above are largely a choice, sexual attraction is not a choice it is innate IMO.

 

[raskolnikov]

How can you explain the lack of outrage from drunks, adulterers etc.?

Contemporary gay politics is predominately concerned with manufacturing heightened outrage in order to facilitate emotional leverage to gain some type of power.

Maybe because drunks and adulterers haven't been subject to a history of systematic vilification, abuse and harassment.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Drunks are too drunk to give ****.
Adulterers aren't going to speak up and ruin their fun.
Atheists don't believe in hell so don't give a ****.
Liars are lying.
Fornicators are too busy f...i.. to give a ****.
Idolaters are too stupid to give a ****.
Thieves are too busy planning their next heist and want to fly under the radar.

+ the 7 above are largely a choice, sexual attraction is not a choice it is innate IMO.

Nah, nah, nah, you're not trapping me with this silly behaviorist ploy.

Are you claiming that alcoholics, adulterers, etc., don't have compulsions?

It's a very soft cop out.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Maybe because drunks and adulterers haven't been subject to a history of systematic vilification, abuse and harassment.

The important word being "history".

Past tense.

It has little to no impact any longer, unless a person is conflicted between homosexuality & religious tenets.

 

[M Malice]

Nah, nah, nah, you're not trapping me with this silly behaviorist ploy.

Are you claiming that being an alcoholics, adulterers, etc., don't have compulsions?

It's a very soft cop out.

Of course they do, I have a compulsion to fornicate and make a choice to act on it. Personally I can't see a problem with it, I'm not harming anyone else.

Homosexuals have an innate attraction to the same sex, it then naturally follows that they have a compulsion/desire to act on that attraction via the physical act. I see no problem with that either and IMO those that do have a problem with it should mind their own f...... business.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Of course they do, I have a compulsion to fornicate and make a choice to act on it. Personally I can't see a problem with it, I'm not harming anyone else.

Homosexuals have an innate attraction to the same sex, it then naturally follows that they have a compulsion/desire to act on that attraction via the physical act. I see no problem with that either and IMO those that do have a problem with it should mind their own f...... business.

All of those people are equal in Folau's hell mate.

I made mention of this implied artificial moral pecking order earlier today in this thread. It's manufactured crap.

 

[M Malice]

All of those people are equal in Folau's hell mate.

It would be so much easier if we were all atheists.

 

[Mofra]

Sorry Pauline
Who lost their job?

Yassmin Abdul-Magied

 

[Snake_Baker]

It would be so much easier if we were all atheists.

Yes, but we are atheists because we grew up in a secular state that granted the freedom to formulate and express our own opinions. It would not have been so easy if we were born in a religious state.

Likewise, Folau also has the right to express his own beliefs.