Religion Folau

[Gralin]

People are offended due to listing homosexuality but it was written with another 6-7 words.
Why are the other words not offensive only homosexual....double standards

Did he take drugs, bash people

Who else did he pick on then?

He should be able to say whatever he believes.

I don't agree with him, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to say it.

He's allowed to say it, doesn't give him a free pass though

Just as we are allowed to respond that he is a fool and a scumbag.
Just as his employer can fire him for promoting something they are against.


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I find the employment part interesting. If he didn't break the law and wasn't speaking in an official capacity should he be fired?

 

[Colonial]

I find the employment part interesting. If he didn't break the law and wasn't speaking in an official capacity should he be fired?

If it was just a well known belief then no.
But the fact he promotes it and is the face of the sport. Yes.

I'm not the face of my employment by a long way, yet if I promoted the same ideals as him I would be sacked on the spot.

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[Gralin]

If it was just a well known belief then no.
But the fact he promotes it and is the face of the sport. Yes.

I'm not the face of my employment by a long way, yet if I promoted the same ideals as him I would be sacked on the spot.

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Fair work reinstated someone for being drunk while out with their employers client.

We've got this thing going where we try to get people who we don't agree with fired for saying the thing we don't agree with on social media.

Now I don't think his comments should get special protection for being based on his faith. But I'm not sure he should get special punishment because he said them.

I don't think the comments should be tolerated but I wonder if we can show that without ending people's careers. The damage that does can extend far beyond the person we think we are punishing

 

[pab neruda]

Not constitutional, but in theory it would go against discrimination law and/or the human rights commission.

§116 protects freedom of religion, but specifically limits the power of the Govt.

Not an issue anyway, not as though the ARU will force Folau to stop practicing his religion; they aren't obligated to agree with his beliefs though - and it is their prerogative to discontinue their commercial association with him.

 

[Quinz]

People are offended due to listing homosexuality but it was written with another 6-7 words.
Why are the other words not offensive only homosexual....double standards

Did he take drugs, bash people

Drunks
Homosexuals
Adulterers
Liars
Fornicators
Thieves
Atheists
Idolators

As an enlightened, intellectually honest high EQ individual I see no difference between any of these listed items.

 

[Colonial]

Fair work reinstated someone for being drunk while out with their employers client.

We've got this thing going where we try to get people who we don't agree with fired for saying the thing we don't agree with on social media.

Now I don't think his comments should get special protection for being based on his faith. But I'm not sure he should get special punishment because he said them.

I don't think the comments should be tolerated but I wonder if we can show that without ending people's careers. The damage that does can extend far beyond the person we think we are punishing

Not the same though.

There's this weird thing where we seem to forgive drunks for what they do when drunk.

No one is saying he can't believe as he does. It's stupid but it's his choice.
He isn't being reprimanded for being Christian.

But if he wants to promote those beliefs as often as he does and use free speach as his excuse, then he has to expect people to respond in kind and his employer should be allowed if they want to be associated with someone like that.

I know for a fact my employer wouldn't.

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[mauricerioli]

The 30-year-old was slammed for calling on “drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters” to repent for their sins or else “hell awaits” them.

It's bad enough that he attacks homosexuals, but he's crossing a line when he attacks drunken, lying fornicators.

 

[Gralin]

I know for a fact my employer wouldn't.

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But do they have a right to be like that legally?

I'm of the view if it's outside work hours they can **** right off. They don't own me.

My employer is not the moral arbiter of my life and based on how companies work the hypocrites shouldn't be given the option.

 

[Colonial]

But do they have a right to be like that legally?

I'm of the view if it's outside work hours they can **** right off. They don't own me.

My employer is not the moral arbiter of my life and based on how companies work the hypocrites shouldn't be given the option.

Yes.

These days employess are part of a companies brand.

If they have say a white supremist going around demanding death to non whites and he works for the Salvos then 100% yes.

Pretty much every company these days have a social media policy as part of their contracts.
They also have HR policies as well.

If they don't like what you are promoting and it doesn't fit there "culture" or "brand" then they have every right not to employ you.

You can't have freedom only going 1 way.

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[Slartibartfast]

He seems to forget two things.

1. He is a public figure who represents an organisation which relies on sponsors.
2. The main sponsor is an inclusive organisation named qantas which supports gay rights. His contract would also specify limitations on his freedom off speech, like offending others . Standard clauses for a public figures.

 

[Mercy Seat]

But do they have a right to be like that legally?

I'm of the view if it's outside work hours they can **** right off. They don't own me.

My employer is not the moral arbiter of my life and based on how companies work the hypocrites shouldn't be given the option.

People lose their jobs all the time for behaviour outside work if they are in the public realm. Their contracts have it written in that they can be terminated for tarnishing their brand.

Don't forget that he was warned a year ago that if he did it again, he would have his contract terminated.

 

[Van_Dyke]

He breached the ARU’s code of conduct twice now with his social media posting. He (or his agent) would/should have known about this to begin with and certainly after last year. He chose to breach it again.

 

[Gralin]

People lose their jobs all the time for behaviour outside work if they are in the public realm. Their contracts have it written in that they can be terminated for tarnishing their brand.

Don't forget that he was warned a year ago that if he did it again, he would have his contract terminated.

Employers put all sorts of illegal shit in contracts, doesn't mean they can do it just because someone signed on.

 

[Reynolds Number]

Meh, he's in a massive priviledge position which understandably comes with lots of responsibilities such as treating people with respect, which he clearly doesn't want to do.

He needs to grow up.

Everyday workers lose their more deadend or low paying jobs for much less offensive stuff.

Maybe he should just go play union in Japan or go get a job at Myer sports basement.

 

[Colonial]

Employers put all sorts of illegal shit in contracts, doesn't mean they can do it just because someone signed on.

So you are saying that he has the right to say what he wants, but.
Employers can't hire fire who they want?

Sure there's anti discrimination laws but he wasn't fired for being a Christian.

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[Colonial]

Sexual orientation? Is that protecting pedofiles too then?

Legal sexual preferences.

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[Smartest Brain]

Legal sexual preferences.

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That's not mentioned in the rules though?

 

[Colonial]

That's not mentioned in the rules though?

It goes without saying.

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[Smartest Brain]

It goes without saying.

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No it doesnt. Homosexuality used to be illegal too.

 

[Colonial]

No it doesnt. Homosexuality used to be illegal too.

Very true.
But it is legal.

You can't seriously be comparing 2 consenting adults to a consenting adult and child.

You are better than that.

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[Art Corvelay]

He should be able to say whatever he believes.

I don't agree with him, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to say it.

He’s allowed to say what he wants.

That doesn’t make him immune to criticism or punishment from his employer or the general public.

 

[CH Jazz]

Clearly a very sackable action. He’ll join he end of a very long line of people to get sacked for non-work related social media posting.

 

[Art Corvelay]

I'm of the view if it's outside work hours they can **** right off. They don't own me.

My employer is not the moral arbiter of my life and based on how companies work the hypocrites shouldn't be given the option.

Are you the public face of your company doing advertisements and media interviews on behalf of them? Does your company have paying sponsors that put you in ads to sell their products?

 

[Gralin]

So you are saying that he has the right to say what he wants, but.
Employers can't hire fire who they want?

Sure there's anti discrimination laws but he wasn't fired for being a Christian.

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No I'm saying the whole they should be fired for that mentality needs to be looked at.

I don't agree with what he said. I'm not going to lose any sleep over him being fired. But is that what should happen? Should it happen to someone that works at K-Mart? Macca's? A cafe? Where does it end? What if you vote different to your boss?

 

[Colonial]

It isn't about what makes sense it is what is legal or not. Obviously the law changes and the rules I replied to are ready to handle discrimination against all sexual orientations which is really progressive and should be applauded.

Exactly and as it stands there's 2 legal sexual preferences.

Those are protected by the anti discrimination act.

Anything outside of that(children, animals etc) are not

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