Bradesmaen
TheBrownDog
You said there was no affirmation. Now that may have been a grammatical error on your behalf, but how was I to know that?That affirmation is correct. Am i sure of what? I think you are responding to the wrong poster..?
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You said there was no affirmation. Now that may have been a grammatical error on your behalf, but how was I to know that?That affirmation is correct. Am i sure of what? I think you are responding to the wrong poster..?
Wow, people get so wound up about Folau when half of them don't even believe in God and Hell. Stop bullying Folau and talking about his posts and all that crap if half of you don't believe in what he was saying.
Sorry if I offend anyone but jeez people need to get a grip and stop getting so offended at stupid stuff.
You said there was no affirmation. Now that may have been a grammatical error on your behalf, but how was I to know that?
I see that as a biased opinion rather than reality defined.Mundine is a flog, and yes the community hates him. As for ‘extremist’ Muslim views.....myriad of evidence to suggest religiously justified hatred of homosexuality (amongst other Koranic ‘teachings’) is far from just an ‘extremist’ Muslim position.
https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/islams-jihad-against-homosexuals
Bottom line, Folau has copped a far heavier whack from the moralists in the media (Fitzsimons, Waleed et al), politicians, and the business community, over one dumb arse meme, then Mundine EVER copped throughout over a decade of hateful bile spewed against amongst other targets, non Aboriginal people, homosexuals, as well as his continual role of apologist for Islamic terrorism, 9/11...etc etc.
And he certainly hasn’t been ‘cancelled’ the way Folau has.
For example, just last year this was Mundine appearing on I’m A Celeb Get Me Out of Here.
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Meanwhile Folau will probably have to leave the country if he ever wants to find any kind of paid employment again.
THERE is the double standard.
The truth is people find it far, far easier to openly and publicly critique and condemn Christianity and Christians, then they do Islam and Muslim’s.
One may rear up and threaten to kill you if you question or criticise there belief system, whereas the other one won’t.
That’s just reality.
You asked me 3 questions and I responded to each rationally with no hint of outrage.I asked for you to back up your assertion that Folau's post would cause harm and how much harm you estimate
You provide nothing but false outrage and virtue signalling guff
Playing devils advocate here...shouldn't people be fearful to spruik certain beliefs and values in public?I would support their rights to tweet it , I would also think they are a ******* idiots. I honestly prefer people not being scared to tell me their true beliefs, it makes it a hell of a lot easier to judge people. I think there are lines that can be crossed and there are laws in place to account for that, if no laws are broken I fail to see how people can be punished for their beliefs. If it is a breach of contract argument I believe that belongs in the courts.
People always talk about the suicide rate in the gay community and bring that up as a reason to protect them from anything offensive. Well lets look at the suicide rate of men compared to woman . Men commit around 75% of all suicides but I don't see anyone attacking nut job feminists like Clementine FORD or Van BADHAM for contributing to the Male suicide rate and calling for their jobs.
You must be a slow learner.Perhaps so, but a cursory google search suggests this is now in common vernacular! In fact, they are actually reserving their rights to come up with many and more new identities in the future as they see fit:
• L.G.B.T (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) and. • L.G.B.T.Q.Q.I.A (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual) The PLUS (+) in our name ensures that we will always be inclusive of all identities to make our community feel welcomed and that nobody is left out.
Why the Plus — MY LGBT PLUS
Well you can’t say they are not inclusive! I have to say I question the extra Q for Questioning...if you are questioning then why attribute a label at all, in fact why even let your sexuality define you at all really? It kinda flies in the face of the fundamental basis for the progressive movement for equality in that people shouldn’t be defined by their sexuality/race/gender/religion etc etc we are all equal as human beings...isn’t that the point?
I believe in Hell, Michigan.Wow, people get so wound up about Folau when half of them don't even believe in God and Hell. Stop bullying Folau and talking about his posts and all that crap if half of you don't believe in what he was saying.
Sorry if I offend anyone but jeez people need to get a grip and stop getting so offended at stupid stuff.
RA may be confident that they will win, but see $1 million as a worthwhile payoff to limit the damage from lengthy controversial public legal proceedings.In the past i have had a fair bit to to with contracts and they can be a legal nightmare and down to definition.
With the ARU offering Folau a million bucks to walk away recently says to me they are not confident in this case.
I disagree in regards to unions. Unions provide resources to lower level employees in the same way that organisational leadership has access to corporate resources.Sadly religion, unions and politicians use fear as it resonates with a larger portion of society.
Positive people simply don’t need these groups, thus there is no $ appealing to this segment of society
Why is that a problem?Clem is called out continually.
Opposition to her is dismissed as misogyny, male privelege, Patriarchy.. etcetera
Almost half of all of your posts, are in this thread.I disagree in regards to unions. Unions provide resources to lower level employees in the same way that organisational leadership has access to corporate resources.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
So? Ignore the dismissals.Oh I don’t know, maybe because not every criticism of Clementine can just be dismissed as misogyny, sexism, patriarchy etc?
You answered in generalities when i asked for specificsYou asked me 3 questions and I responded to each rationally with no hint of outrage.
I asked you one question, and you ignored it.
I prefer posting with people who can form coherent and logical arguments, and that's clearly beyond you. Feel free to scroll past my posts without comment.
The problem is she gets a pass because she is a woman, a feminist and is blaming men for all woes.Why is that a problem?
It's just one person's opinion. Ignore it.The problem is she gets a pass because she is a woman, a feminist and is blaming men for all woes.
Misandry is acceptable in her circle.
It shouldnt be acceptable anywhere
You’re confusing issue
Freedom of speech does mean freedom of consequence by its definition.
The issue at hand isn’t freedom of speech rather employment law and contract law and their reasonable reach and application.
It's just one person's opinion. Ignore it.
Can she not have an opinion? Can she not share it?
Do you want to take away her free speech?
The problem is she gets a pass because she is a woman, a feminist and is blaming men for all woes.
Misandry is acceptable in her circle.
It shouldnt be acceptable anywhere
It's just one person's opinion. Ignore it.
Can she not have an opinion? Can she not share it?
Do you want to take away her free speech?
Good point.Why can’t you ignore Folau? Paul Joseph Watson? Milo? Alex Jones? Et al.
So you believe she has/had some influence on Australian society, and how certain aspects of our society felt?She can have an opinion and for many years it was presented to hundreds of thousands of readers through fairfax media.
So her opinion was being presented as some cutting edge insight through the main stream media, influencing people too lazy to think about what she was saying. People with axes to grind against men.
It is the acceptance of her bigotry as being acceptable from womens interest groups that is the issue.
Now she has left fairfax her reach has been curtailed but she is still spewing out hate on twitter.
She ia very troll similar to Milo
I don't necessarily agree with that but understand why you make that comment.
Let me ask you this though. If I dress up in a Nazi uniform and walk down the middle of Bourke street yelling "Heil Hitler" and "gas the Jews" are you suggesting that I am free of any repercussion?
Or can I claim "free speech?"
So you believe she has/had some influence on Australian society, and how certain aspects of our society felt?
Do you think she might have made some people feel like outcasts, or might have made them feel that they weren't welcome in our society?
Do you think she might have made some people view others as outcasts, and made them want to exclude others from our society?