Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[Ironmonger]

I was curious to know how the survey defined supporter, and if there were any demonstrable behaviours e.g. watching or attending a certain number of games. Couldn't find anything in the full detail

Sydney Swans are Australia’s most widely supported AFL club for 20 straight years - Roy Morgan Research

www.roymorgan.com

It looks like the sports component is one of many components at the end of their Single Source survey.

https://roymorgan-cms-dev.s3.ap-sou...8233657/AustraliaFactBrochure2020_JuneWEB.pdf

So quite likely it's a double-barrel - 'Do you support an AFL team?', if yes 'Which AFL team do you support?' pair of questions.

It's not likely they'd ask a lot of additional questions, because they're trying to get people to respond to as many questions as possible over a wide range of subjects. Too many and people tend to lose interest and drop out.

I'm a bit dubious about this methodology, now I look at it. If you give people the option of completing what components they like, then almost certainly people will gravitate to subjects they have an interest in. In this case, the AFL questions are contained in a 'Sports' component, so presumably there's a bias to people who follow any kind of sport. You can weight by strata to alleviate some of that bias but I still reckon you're going to overcount the aggregate number of supporters.

The equivalent results for the Aleague - from the same component of the survey - are interesting.

https://roymorgan-cms-prod.s3.ap-so...2336/10047-A-League-Supporter-Ladder-2025.pdf

Apparently Sydney FC, Melbourne Victory, and the Brisbane Roar each have more than half a million supporters. Significantly more than Hawthorn or Richmond. Obviously that's not true in any meaningful sense.

 

[Viceregal]

It looks like the sports component is one of many components at the end of their Single Source survey.

https://roymorgan-cms-dev.s3.ap-sou...8233657/AustraliaFactBrochure2020_JuneWEB.pdf

So quite likely it's a double-barrel - 'Do you support an AFL team?', if yes 'Which AFL team do you support?' pair of questions.

It's not likely they'd ask a lot of additional questions, because they're trying to get people to respond to as many questions as possible over a wide range of subjects. Too many and people tend to lose interest and drop out.

I'm a bit dubious about this methodology, now I look at it. If you give people the option of completing what components they like, then almost certainly people will gravitate to subjects they have an interest in. In this case, the AFL questions are contained in a 'Sports' component, so presumably there's a bias to people who follow any kind of sport. You can weight by strata to alleviate some of that bias but I still reckon you're going to overcount the aggregate number of supporters.

The equivalent results for the Aleague - from the same component of the survey - are interesting.

https://roymorgan-cms-prod.s3.ap-so...2336/10047-A-League-Supporter-Ladder-2025.pdf

Apparently Sydney FC, Melbourne Victory, and the Brisbane Roar each have more than half a million supporters. Significantly more than Hawthorn or Richmond. Obviously that's not true in any meaningful sense.

Still useful as a comparative weighting between the teams and lol re North then I suppose.

The Roar would kill to have Victory's crowds at their games...

 

[Lace Out]

Fages

 

[royboy2]

They do a large survey and they ask people who they support in various codes as part of it. Funnily enough all of Brisbane say us even if they haven't watched a game in decades or ever.

Same way Storm are always near the top of the NRL one, nobody in Melbourne actually gives a shit but say the Vic team

 

[morsie]

Looked it up > @ BSO, Round 3 7th of May 1960(I was 4 months old and living in St Kilda)... Geelong 8-7-55 def Fitzroy 5-11-41.

Then defeated Richmond, Footscray, Essendon, (lost to St Kilda), Sth Melbourne, (lost to Melbourne), Nth Melbourne, Hawthorn, Collinwood, Carlton, Geelong, Richmond, Footscray, Essendon, St Kilda over the rest of the H&A season.

So won 12 of the remaining 14 games that season, finishing 2nd on percentage to Melbourne, pretty bloody good memory morsie.

Fitzroy went out in straight sets in finals losing to Melbourne by 62 points and Collingwood by 5 points.

Melbourne thrashed Collingwood by 48 points in the Grand Final, that was Melbourne's 6th Grand Final appearance in a row and their 5th GF win in those 6 years.

Lost to Collingwood on a mudheap.Our star rover Graham Campbell was ineffective as he got mud in his eye and lost contact lens.
No way we're we beating Melbourne.Coached by the great Len Smith,all sorts of tricks an innovations.

 

[Section 5]

I came across this interesting article while looking for something else.
Some nice easy reading graphs (one below) showing Brisbane place in the 18 clubs

The AFL and clubs top 1.944b in Revenue for 2024 - SportsIndustryAU

With all AFL clubs now reporting in for the year, its time to take a look at the goodies contained in their annual reports.

footyindustry.com

 

[Section 5]

Some interesting figures in this article from the same people as above

The AFL keeps moving on up - the 2024 Annual Report - SportsIndustryAU

Revenue

footyindustry.com

 

[briztoon]

 

[Nathan Barley]

Maybe instead of limiting contracts they should look at the accreditations of list managers and player agents to stop them from doing stupid deals

 

[BangyBangy]

Maybe instead of limiting contracts they should look at the accreditations of list managers and player agents to stop them from doing stupid deals

There are landmines everywhere when trying to control natural market forces.

The AFL have their hands full that's for sure. On one hand you are trying to maintain an even competition through the salary cap, soft cap & the draft, but still having a sort of free agency, all the while trying to maximize company profits with a biased & uneven home & away fixture.

 

[Saucery]

Been saying this for a while now and the AFL are honestly acknowledging that DANZ are very unlikely to value AFL content in the way FOXTEL did. They focus on international sports; even rugby league is played across the globe. DANZ is European based, Saudi funded and massively in debt. I think the days of skyrocketing money flowing into the AFL coffers for coverage rights are a thing of the past. The next deal will be for a moderate increase at best.

 

[MSB ROYS]

2025 most valuable sports brands FYI.

 

[MSB ROYS]

The NBA betting arrest of around 30 players, coaches and criminal should be a huge warning to the AFL. Personally, I hate the way gambling has infiltrated sports and been normalised through the media.

 

[braddsey]

The NBA betting arrest of around 30 players, coaches and criminal should be a huge warning to the AFL. Personally, I hate the way gambling has infiltrated sports and been normalised through the media.

I hate gambling in sport too, but match fixing and insider tips to gambling groups are nothing new - tennis, cricket, soccer…NBA is probably the most high profile in our sphere since Hansie Cronje, or perhaps Mark Waugh & Shane Warne.
The AFL should be all over this already… though I suspect they are not. The availability of betting markets on individual players performance is a massive red flag for me.

 

[briztoon]

The NBA betting arrest of around 30 players, coaches and criminal should be a huge warning to the AFL. Personally, I hate the way gambling has infiltrated sports and been normalised through the media.

How many actual players? The brief segment I saw on the news was, one player and one coach.

 

[dlanod]

How many actual players? The brief segment I saw on the news was, one player and one coach.

One player, one coach, one ex-player, and there's a second player that's already pled guilty.

 

[ZoBlitz]

The AFL care about gambling issues as much their betting sponsors tell them to care about it.

It's no coincidence where the last two CEOs ended up after they left the AFL.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I’ll be happy to get a new coach out of this all. Chauncey, not Fagan, obvs.

 

[Viceregal]

One player, one coach, one ex-player, and there's a second player that's already pled guilty.

Apparently they weren't involved in gambling re their sport but were the draw cards to get rich folks in to play extremely rigged poker with mob connections...

 

[MSB ROYS]

Apparently they weren't involved in gambling re their sport but were the draw cards to get rich folks in to play extremely rigged poker with mob connections...

It was both but most people were arrested for the cards gambling side.

 

[martinson]

The AFL care about gambling issues as much their betting sponsors tell them to care about it.

It's no coincidence where the last two CEOs ended up after they left the AFL.

Demetriou is one of the most desperate punters I've ever come across .

The stories are legendary. One of the funniest ones was when his Driver dropped him off for an important meeting Vlad got him to text the results of the Warnambool races as the races were run. On a Tuesday.

 

[martinson]

Vlad dropped an absolute bucketload in the Vlahos ponzi scheme. There were rumours Dunstall may have too.

Which tells you the sort of punters they were.

 

[Saucery]

If you think the crows' melts have been bad over Cal, just wait till they get a worse perceived draw than us due to finishing top. The melts will be epic, especially when they miss the finals.

 

[Viceregal]

If you think the crows' melts have been bad over Cal, just wait till they get a worse perceived draw than us due to finishing top. The melts will be epic, especially when they miss the finals.

Is the draw based on home and away rating rather than end of finals position???

 

[Section 5]

Woman field umpire among six promoted to AFL umpire list for 2026

The AFL is pleased to announce the promotion of six umpires to the 2026 AFL umpire list, including woman field umpire Jordyn Pearson

www.afl.com.au