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mojo31 said:
Fisher played a few games at the end of the season. Did well but not sure that elevates him to gun forward. Still skinny and cant really gain weight.
How would he go on Scarlett?

Waite had some good games and some very poor ones. Took big strides in 2005 but again he had number 2 or 3 defender and not a zoning off 3rd defender like Fevola has to worry about.

2 promising players. Hardly reached champion status and can lock them away for the next 10 years as 2 gun forwards.

Waite might play down back or on the wing or develop into a CHF.
Fisher might also but wont be a CHF. Maybe just a very good third marking target up forward.

The people on this site seem to be convinced that any young player we have who showed anything this year will naturally improve and become a gun.
So Bentick, Carrazzo, Simpson,Fisher,Waite and Betts who showed something this year will naturally improve and become 200 game players?
How will they go when they get extra attention next year?

Pick 1,4,20,36 will all turen out to become guns as well. Forget logic and the history of draft picks it must happen?

Try being a bit more realistic Paddy.
Same for you mojo. How am I not being realistic? Is Kouta-like hands realistic? Is plays like Riewoldt realistic? Im happy for you to say this but why is it that I am the one thats not being realistic?

Never, ever said Fisher and Waite are gun forwards - what are you on? Fisher and Waite have shown they can play as tall marking forwards. I think Waite spending the majority of his time at CHF and taking around 110 marks with a skinny (but getting better) frame warrants a bit more of a pat on the back.

Gun? Champion status? No-one said they were this mate!

Mate take on board what people say, say your own bit and leav it at that! I cannot understand what your beef is here!
 

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I don't think mojo meant "will be as good as" when making the comparisons, but rather build and style of play. I heard Pendlebury can do amazing things with the ball in one hand a-la Kouta, and also wouldn't mind seeing him in the dark navy.

It is useless (although fun) speculating, because we don't know who will be left at each spot.....a Varcoe might slip through to #20 (although i highly doubt it), and you would pick him up at the drop of a hat there, need for KPP or not. Also Bower and Spangher might be gone before #20, we don't know.

However with question marks over a number of players in this draft, there are going to be a large number of factors detemrining whether a player makes it at the top level or not, so we won't really know how we did for a few years down the track.

I belive that if we got Dowler and he did progress to be a Riewoldt type then it is going to be advantageous to build a side around that type of player, a Waite might be more handy on a wing or back flank to make room for Dowler. We shouldn't shy away from Dowler if he is the best available because we have a number of good potential forwards already.

I wouldn't even consider Looby unless Drum slipped through to #20
We all speculate or is it just me? Dowler could be this, could be that is great to read, speculation, but a great read. Same goes for the picks we have, bottom line being no-one on here knows who we will get in all 4 picks for certain. Therefore, speculation is all we can do!!!
 

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Same for you mojo. How am I not being realistic? Is Kouta-like hands realistic? Is plays like Riewoldt realistic? Im happy for you to say this but why is it that I am the one thats not being realistic?

Never, ever said Fisher and Waite are gun forwards - what are you on? Fisher and Waite have shown they can play as tall marking forwards. I think Waite spending the majority of his time at CHF and taking around 110 marks with a skinny (but getting better) frame warrants a bit more of a pat on the back.

Gun? Champion status? No-one said they were this mate!

Mate take on board what people say, say your own bit and leav it at that! I cannot understand what your beef is here!

Paddy you just dont read the post closely enough.

Kouta like hands means he has huge hands. Its a fact. Does that mean he has a huge leao and be a champoion hurdler and one of the best contested ball winners ever and be 6 foot 4 and huge?

No all it means is that he has huge hands just like I said. It means he handles the ball differently than other players. The way he evades players and picks it up.


I said Dowler was a hit up forward like Riewdolt/Hansen/Tarrant. You picked out the gun in Riewdolt and ran with it.

If I meant Dowler is like Riewdolt then I would have said

"Dowler reminds me of Riewoldt and I think he is as good as him".

I however said

" Dolwer plays a hard running hit up forward type. Tarrant/Hansen/Riewdolt type."

Can you spot the difference?
 

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Paddy you just dont read the post closely enough.

Kouta like hands means he has huge hands. Its a fact. Does that mean he has a huge leao and be a champoion hurdler and one of the best contested ball winners ever and be 6 foot 4 and huge?

No all it means is that he has huge hands just like I said. It means he handles the ball differently than other players. The way he evades players and picks it up.


I said Dowler was a hit up forward like Riewdolt/Hansen/Tarrant. You picked out the gun in Riewdolt and ran with it.

If I meant Dowler is like Riewdolt then I would have said

"Dowler reminds me of Riewoldt and I think he is as good as him".

I however said

" Dolwer plays a hard running hit up forward type. Tarrant/Hansen/Riewdolt type."

Can you spot the difference?
Mojo - "gun forward", "champion status"???????

How about you read more carefully when you try to quote people! I never said this but somehow you think I did. You're picking out ridiculous statements and blowing them completely out of proportion.

Big hands doesn't mean they handle the ball better than anyone else. I understand what you mean that they "could" but it doesnt actually mean they will handle it better.

Is there a reason behind pointing out all of this crap mojo?
 

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Mojo - "gun forward", "champion status"???????

How about you read more carefully when you try to quote people! I never said this but somehow you think I did. You're picking out ridiculous statements and blowing them completely out of proportion.

Big hands doesn't mean they handle the ball better than anyone else. I understand what you mean that they "could" but it doesnt actually mean they will handle it better.

Is there a reason behind pointing out all of this crap mojo?

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Pendelbury does handle the ball very very well. I have seen him play a few times. It is to due to the size of his hands and his hand eye coordination which was shown when he plays basketball (he gave it up this year to play football) and in other sports.
I tried to point that out.

That is really all I have to say.
 

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Pendelbury does handle the ball very very well. I have seen him play a few times. It is to due to the size of his hands and his hand eye coordination which was shown when he plays basketball (he gave it up this year to play football) and in other sports.
I tried to point that out.

That is really all I have to say.
How did you try to point this out exactly mojo? Kouta-like is how?

I never ever said Pendlebury wouldnt be a good player/or is a good palyer. Re-read what I wrote before pointing the finger. I said I would be very happy with him at the Blues if we went that way.

Done on this.
 

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How did you try to point this out exactly mojo? Kouta-like is how?

I never ever said Pendlebury wouldnt be a good player/or is a good palyer. Re-read what I wrote before pointing the finger. I said I would be very happy with him at the Blues if we went that way.

Done on this.

Size of his hands like I said a number of times.

I think I am the only who bothers to respond to your posts. Or more correctly respond to you quoting mine everytime I post.
Seems others here realise you are a lost cause and I guess they are right.

I wont be doing it in future.
 

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Size of his hands like I said a number of times.

I think I am the only who bothers to respond to your posts. Or more correctly respond to you quoting mine everytime I post.
Seems others here realise you are a lost cause and I guess they are right.

I wont be doing it in future.
Thanks.
 

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I should clarify my intial criticisms. I like Dowler and I like Pendlebury (who apparently has 'kouta hands'.)

I've seen these guys a number of times and I rate Dowler a 7-12 pick at this stage and Pendlebury a 22-29 pick. It's not to say they're rubbish players, simply there are better players available (most likely) at picks 4 and 20 that will more fit Carlton's needs.

Looby at 36, well I've seen the guy play a few times and that makes no sense to me. If Jake Edwards is gone at that stage, I'd look to see if a Mills or Iles where still available.
 

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I am not really into rating the draftees from 1-20 or 1-70 or whatever. I think you can get bogged down in all of that. People tend to put labels on and forget to look at each player as an individual with strengths and weaknesses; instead people tend to judge them as a possible answer to a question. I think it is ham-fisted if a side’s recruiter goes out on draft day and says something like "we need a midfielder first, a ruckmen second...” and then goes out and drafts accordingly. It can then virtually become a case of "be careful what you wish for" when you realized you have accomplished what you have set out to, only to find that you have got the second best midfielder, the third best ruckmen (if your lucky) while you wonder how you let that speedy H/back-flanker slip through who keeps carving your side up.

I was a fan of drafting Spangher when I thought we where going to trade into the draft but now that it looks like we are only going to have four picks I think we should be looking to pick the four best future players.
 

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Chances are come draft day pick 4 will be Dowler. And then a couple of years on he will be one of Carltons best players. I'm not sure how many of you have based your opinions on seeing him play or just what you have read or even that he is just a key forward and you would prefer a midfielder or a defender. Dowler has a lot going for him and if I was a Carlton supporter I would be happy to get the best Victorian KPP by some way. I know you like the sound of Hurn but its highly likely that Dowler will turn out to be the better play of the two. There will be a decent KP defender available at 10 and 36 and there will be quality midfielders available there too. A combination of Lucy + Grant or Douglas + Mills or something along those lines will look very good in a couple of years alongside Murphy and Dowler. If Carlton get something like that they will look back on this draft in a few years and be very happy with the result.
 

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Chances are come draft day pick 4 will be Dowler. And then a couple of years on he will be one of Carltons best players. I'm not sure how many of you have based your opinions on seeing him play or just what you have read or even that he is just a key forward and you would prefer a midfielder or a defender. Dowler has a lot going for him and if I was a Carlton supporter I would be happy to get the best Victorian KPP by some way. I know you like the sound of Hurn but its highly likely that Dowler will turn out to be the better play of the two. There will be a decent KP defender available at 10 and 36 and there will be quality midfielders available there too. A combination of Lucy + Grant or Douglas + Mills or something along those lines will look very good in a couple of years alongside Murphy and Dowler. If Carlton get something like that they will look back on this draft in a few years and be very happy with the result.
Hey Macca, I think you mean 20 mate.

Do you have any update on Dowlers injury? Being a KPP, could Dowler play CHB, or is he more suited to CHF?
 

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Chances are come draft day pick 4 will be Dowler. And then a couple of years on he will be one of Carltons best players. I'm not sure how many of you have based your opinions on seeing him play or just what you have read or even that he is just a key forward and you would prefer a midfielder or a defender. Dowler has a lot going for him and if I was a Carlton supporter I would be happy to get the best Victorian KPP by some way. I know you like the sound of Hurn but its highly likely that Dowler will turn out to be the better play of the two. There will be a decent KP defender available at 10 and 36 and there will be quality midfielders available there too. A combination of Lucy + Grant or Douglas + Mills or something along those lines will look very good in a couple of years alongside Murphy and Dowler. If Carlton get something like that they will look back on this draft in a few years and be very happy with the result.
Macca, i agree 100%. Good read.
 

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Macca, i agree 100%. Good read.
Can we get Spangher out of our thoughts - I saw him play in the U18 Carnival and he would struggle immensly at AFL level. His skills are very average and he is not quick at all (seemed to get caught alot). He is tall but that is about it.

Lets focus on players like Murphy, Kennedy, Ryder, Swallow, Varcoe, Lucy and Mills......Oh and the Pendleburry who has Koutalike hands!
 

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Hey Macca, I think you mean 20 mate.

Do you have any update on Dowlers injury? Being a KPP, could Dowler play CHB, or is he more suited to CHF?
I cant see him playing CHB, HFF or CHF would be his two best positions. Has struggled a bit at CHB when I have seen him play.
 
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