Coaching Staff Former Coach Ben "Truck" Rutten - Sacked for real this time - 21/8

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I think people have got to remember how many coaches we have had since 2004. We are kidding ourselves if we continue to just blame the coach. The consistent people that have been at the club the whole time are the people that should get the blame. Our CEO for one..

Rutten may not be the right person for the job but those who have been here since 2004 have proven that they are not capable. The only coach since 2004 that has shown capability to take this club forward was hird. Most likely because he had the power through members and the board to do whatever the hell he wanted. Somethings up at the club and it’s far bigger than the coach

Hasn't the CEO overseen 2 INTERNAL reviews in his time, with no obvious improvement stemming from them? Despite significant changes to coaching and players personnel since 2014.

Probably time to do an external review. He likely doesn't want to do that though since they'll point to him as being one of the main issues.
 
Looks sooooooooooooooooo frustrated.

Gotta go back to basics

Get the ball - handball or kick forwards or sideways at 45 degrees to a contest or open space where it's 1 v 1
 

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CBombers17

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I think Rutten needs time no matter what as there is no point replacing him at this stage of the rebuild.

But if he can't get our 'senior' mids to apply more pressure than these absolute disaster efforts he's going to be in trouble. The superstars / the untouchables.have him by the balls - meantime there is ZERO surprise here that anything remotely resembling midfield leadership last night came from Hobbs, Caldwell, Martin and Draper - with about 30 gamed between them.

That is a situation that is 100% on the coach to fix. Its his job. If he can't get Merrett and Parish and Shiel to do the hard defensive work then he is in trouble.

Rutten should demanding Dodoro burns up the wires for a deal on Parish (and anything he can for Shiel) -And finds us a mature mid Who will do the hard work (and a pic).

Time for the club to actually be bold and get out ahead of our slow motion car crash of a midfield. People talk about finals football - this is not a finals winning midfield.
 

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No I wouldn't.

I would rather take a broom to the list and sweep out any player who wants to do his own thing and not give 100% effort and follow coaching direction.

I would also prefer to recruit to a strategy, with specific traits that winning teams have (competitiveness, effort, pressure, discipline) over speculative, talented types.

I would then afford the supposed two strategic architects of the most brutally efficient pressure team of the last 30 years the ability to coach up a team that is actually going to try and do what the coaches ask of them.

What I dont want is to play a bruise free, front running brand of footy because that is what the players want, then sack our 7th coach since Sheedy because we lost yet another bruise free final.
This is really ruttens third year in charge.
he was coach in waiting when our club disintegrated in the hubs and we lost a stack of players who quite frankly did not believe in him and the club.
he galvanised the club last year and snuck in the 8 on a soft draw. Then played Marty Gleeson in a final effort which was poor. Now the players are giving conditional effort once more. Our 1st quarter was ok but it got hard and we turned over like we usually do.
‘this is really ruttens third year and he was appointed without a formal interview process.
‘I think if you showed this performance in business your job would be HEAVILY SCRUTINISED.
 

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I honestly don't think anything will change with us even if they replaced truck with clarkson, scott, hinkley etc....

Althou last nights effort was really poor and we couldn't lay tackles or kick goals or control the game or do anything except be witches hats.

I think that all this boils down to ether a development issue (the players are not understanding several game styles that have been implemented from different coaches throughout the last 5 years (run and gun, then slow and steady, then run and carry again), Players not next stepping up or improving year on year (i.e. Redman bad 2020, better 2021, bad 2020, Hind good first year 2021 bad 2022, Devon Smith great first year awful since. no A graders at all at our club after 15 years i.e. Andy Mcgrath both Tarranto and Mccluggage have gone past him and both kick goals and can influence games Mcgrath is ok but has stagnated and will just be a ok AFL player Mccluggage is A grader.

A recruiting issue Adrian Dodoro find players (draft, free agency or trade) that look good on paper but can't ether play the way the coaches want them too or are not equipped too.
I.e. Nic Cox, Aaron Francis, Dylan Clarke, Zac Clarke, Dylan Shiel, Devon Smith, Alec Waterman (accurate at goal but can't lay tackles or play anywhere else except full forward (there's way more just can't be bothered listing them)

A Fitness or conditioning issue look at half our players try to run out games Aaron Francis, Sam Draper, Jake Stinger (always injuried or overweight), Darcy Parish most likely our best midfielder he has fat rolls (see half time against collingwood in change room) which i am probably being harsh on but if your an AFL player they shouldn't have any fat on your body you get paid to be a professional athlete, Kyle Langford (always injuried).

or a Leadership issue mainly on field issues. like we are good when things are going our way or the other team is having an off night, but when things are going against us i.e. last night we conceded a goal in the first quarter with 4 seconds left we dropped our heads and got hammered. when we get bad free kicks against us and things don't go right we usually drop our heads and lose badly. no one really stands up haven't had an effective leader since Watson, Hird and i can't see anyone in the current list taking us to the promised land of a premiership.

I am just an amateur footy observer but I Love Essendon and i want them win finals and challange but its going to be a long road ahead and I can't see us ever winning anything, i guess it can change quickly but can't see it
 

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Yep keep the excuses coming, we have gone backwards which ever way you dress it.
Good coaches will change the style of play if it's not working but hey nothing to see here, we are flying.
Do you want a premiership or another middle of the road EF thrashing?

I'd rather finish bottom while working towards a sustainable brand of football (and removing players that don't listen) than another 8th place finish. Otherwise you'll go through another 5 coaches with zero change like we already have.
 
Im going to take it that you were expecting us to be s**t this year. Most aren't surprised us going backwards but sitting third last behind two shambles of football clubs, yeah, that's reason enough to begrudge what is going on.
If anyone said we would have injuries to multiple best 22 players and Walla showing no interest in playing footy would you have said we would not be in the bottom 4 ?
No says do not be angry about it but the fact is this is not just a coaching issue. Truck may not be able to sell the message but his message is right. Before we can do anything we need to be blue collar and our players are not. To make it worse the few that are blue collar, well they are either cooked , Devon Smith , or simply D grade , Guelfi or simply in their first or second year of footy.
We have shocking leadership depth and have been a club that has had no hard edge and makes finals every second or third year based on winning enough games playing nice attacking run and gun but fail the defensive test every year.
 
Yep keep the excuses coming, we have gone backwards which ever way you dress it.
Good coaches will change the style of play if it's not working but hey nothing to see here, we are flying.
Have we gone backwards ? Sure we are now bottom 4 but is it any different to the yo yo we have been on for the last 15 seasons moving between 8th and 16th ? Last year we won a few games late in the season off the back of Jake Stringer being in the top 5 players in the comp and made finals but we where really no good. Every time someone has tried to introduce defense to this club they have failed. Truck will be another that fails and so will the next guy if we stay with the same players and the same culture.
 
I'm pretty ambivalent on Truck, and if we thought he was the best option available then it makes sense to give him at least a few years to shape the list the way he sees fit. "You don't change horses mid-stream" is an idiom for a reason and it probably applies here, but I'm not convinced we've actually reached the riverbank yet (or are even sure if what we're riding is a horse).
Conversely, if Clarkson is actually the best coach in the game, then you are doing yourself a disservice by not hiring him, or at least attempting to, as it means you're willfully ignoring the better option.
So the question is, realistically, could Clarkson be doing much more with current list? Would our players start running through walls because Clarko told them to, or do we see the same lack of intensity across the field?
Clarko would hold the playing group to account? Maybe, but how? He's got to a field a team each week so there's only so many players you can drop, especially with a longish injury list, so what's really different to how Rutten is trying to inculcate accountability?
We don't have a Lewis, a Mitchell, a Burgyone, or a Roughhead (or a Franklin). Does Clarko make those leaders, or just get the best out of them? Because if it's the latter, bringing him changes nothing until the list is completely changed and those budding leaders are already here
 
Hope 2022 has a bit of 2018 about it ;)
2017 was the last time we had a functioning forward line and enough senior players who knew what they were doing that the club could sell hope… sucked people in, fans and players alike, chewed them up and spat them out again when half the forward line requested trades or retired without ever playing together with Stringer and Smith. That group never looked like a threat again after ‘17.
 

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This is really ruttens third year in charge.
he was coach in waiting when our club disintegrated in the hubs and we lost a stack of players who quite frankly did not believe in him and the club.
he galvanised the club last year and snuck in the 8 on a soft draw. Then played Marty Gleeson in a final effort which was poor. Now the players are giving conditional effort once more. Our 1st quarter was ok but it got hard and we turned over like we usually do.
‘this is really ruttens third year and he was appointed without a formal interview process.
‘I think if you showed this performance in business your job would be HEAVILY SCRUTINISED.
Truck may not be able to sell the message and end up being another fail but the playing list he has to deal with is sub standard and lacks leadership and likes to play me first footy. Essendon is and will be a poison chalice until the culture in the club and playing list is changed. For various reasons the players have dictated the terms on how they play since 2005 .
I will say the issue in 2020 was because we had two coaches. I know for a fact the players where confused. There was different messages coming from the coaching group and they genuinely did know which direction to go for the answers and there was also in fighting amongst the players and the refusal of some to play a role. There was also massive tension between Richardson and Dodoro.
I still think Trucks message he gave when he first started and a lot of the actions he took where 100% right. We need to get back to being a blue collar club. He may not be the bloke who can sell it to the players but even if the next bloke can he will be dealing with the same player issues and some of our protected species may need to be moved on.
Not sure what it all says about Caracella . He has a very serious role in what is going on.
 
2017 was the last time we had a functioning forward line and enough senior players who knew what they were doing that the club could sell hope… sucked people in, fans and players alike, chewed them up and spat them out again when half the forward line requested trades or retired without ever playing together with Stringer and Smith. That group never looked like a threat again after ‘17.
I still think the recruiting of SSSS was right idea. It was to build around Joe D and Fantasia and there not a hint at end of ‘17 of what was to come. Joe’ OP was the catalyst to destroying it all.
 
Not sure what it all says about Caracella . He has a very serious role in what is going on.
Can’t make a sow’s ear out of a silk purse.
 
I still think the recruiting of SSSS was right idea. It was to build around Joe D and Fantasia and there not a hint at end of ‘17 of what was to come. Joe’ OP was the catalyst to destroying it all.
Yeah I just hope we don’t repeat it now, over-invest in a quarter of the team.
 
I think th saying is meant to be around the other way?
I flipped it. A sows ear would be tougher and more useful than a delicate and pretty silk purse on a football field.
 

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I flipped it. A sows ear would be tougher and more useful than a delicate and pretty silk purse on a football field.
i see what you did there bill hader GIF
 

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Truck may not be able to sell the message and end up being another fail but the playing list he has to deal with is sub standard and lacks leadership and likes to play me first footy. Essendon is and will be a poison chalice until the culture in the club and playing list is changed. For various reasons the players have dictated the terms on how they play since 2005 .
I will say the issue in 2020 was because we had two coaches. I know for a fact the players where confused. There was different messages coming from the coaching group and they genuinely did know which direction to go for the answers and there was also in fighting amongst the players and the refusal of some to play a role. There was also massive tension between Richardson and Dodoro.
I still think Trucks message he gave when he first started and a lot of the actions he took where 100% right. We need to get back to being a blue collar club. He may not be the bloke who can sell it to the players but even if the next bloke can he will be dealing with the same player issues and some of our protected species may need to be moved on.
Not sure what it all says about Caracella . He has a very serious role in what is going on.
Serious question ,what does blue collar club mean ?, because what I'm seeing is anything but blue collar.
We can't get it out of our back half, we can't keep it in our forward half and our mids won't chase, there's problems all over the place yet everyone seems to think that this style of play will take us forward ? I just don't see it.
 
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If anyone said we would have injuries to multiple best 22 players and Walla showing no interest in playing footy would you have said we would not be in the bottom 4 ?
No says do not be angry about it but the fact is this is not just a coaching issue. Truck may not be able to sell the message but his message is right. Before we can do anything we need to be blue collar and our players are not. To make it worse the few that are blue collar, well they are either cooked , Devon Smith , or simply D grade , Guelfi or simply in their first or second year of footy.
We have shocking leadership depth and have been a club that has had no hard edge and makes finals every second or third year based on winning enough games playing nice attacking run and gun but fail the defensive test every year.

You are right, the injuries doesn't help and it looks like our leaders are giving up appearing none existent on field.

Most comments from sections of the Essendon supporter base are based on effort and 30 tackles is the worry. The game plan etc. etc. falls back on truck but so should getting the players to buy in.

This is where your comments in previous weeks ring true that 2 off seasons may not be enough yet for Rutten to have the group he can work with.
 

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