Forward Structure 2010

[BlackGoanna]

Just thought I would spark some discussion on potential forward structures in 2010. I believe that Ratten and Co will develop a few different structures over the offseason. The structure will be tinkered with during the pre-season and season proper. An example of the most likely structure IMO below.

Kruezer, Henderson and possible Hampson playing as a traditional deep full forward. Only short leads with quick and deep inside 50's. Forward pockets to crumb - Betts, Garlett, Yarran (no issues there). Walker, Russel and possible Wiggins, Robertson to play as high long leading half forwards that feed the ball back into the corridor for the mids to drive deep. Either Waite or O'Hailpin to play predominetly around the 50 metre arc, doubling back to play the second tall if the play is coming in slowly.


This structure looks reasonable, but I cant see much variation which is a concern. Does anyone have any ideas of any alternative structures?

Alternative structure 1. Put O'hailpin in forward 50 on his own. Will be thoroughly entertained watching him slap and kick his opponents.

 

[Sin City]

Murphy Waite Yarran
Garlett Henderson Betts

With occasional stints from Robinson, Walker and Kreuzer when needed.

 

[PooMonkey]

Murphy Waite Yarran
Garlett Henderson Betts

With occasional stints from Robinson, Walker and Kreuzer when needed.

Yarran Kruezer Walker
Garlett Henderson Betts

with

Robinson, Waite, Setanta and Hampson to play cameo's.
Also do not forget the drafting of Kane Lucas, he will play off the HFF this year at times and will do a very good job!

 

[Bentick's My Man.]

After his little cameo on Ch10 news last night I expect Jarrad to be back to CHF next year.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Betts --- Henderson --- Waite

Yarran --- Kreuzer --- Walker

Also in the mix: Garlett, Robinson, Lucas

 

[Lawnchair]

Kruez, Hendo, Irish, Betts, Walker. 6th spot reserved for one of our midfielders or somebody like Lucas or Robinson who can play either role. Hammer and another small in Garlett or Yarran to start on the bench and rotate through.

alternate: Yarran in the 50 alone. He should kick about 30 goals yeah? Then go into the midfielder in the 2nd quarter, rove each and every tap, run about 30m, bullet pass to waite who will kick 25 goals 1. Second half will just be a repeat.

 

[HBF]

I'd be looking at something like this:

HF: Chris Yarran Setanta O'Hailpin Mitch Robinson
FF: Eddie Betts Lachie Henderson Matthew Kreuzer

The great thing about our talls is that they are flexible. Both Setanta and Waite can play both forward and back, and should Austin start playing more consistent AFL footy, he has shown he can play forward and back also.

 

[The Toad]

Thornton - Waite - Walker
Betts - Henderson - Yarran

 

[Ryan Dixon Webb]

It's pretty important that we get Robinson and Garlett rotating through, adding pressure. Especially Garlett his front and centre work last year was really good, especially in the game against Melbourne.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

FF: Betts Waite Walker

HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson

Stints as required from: Kreuzer, Murphy, Lucas, O'hailpin, Garlett, Hampson

 

[Sin City]

I think with the recruitment of McLean it's a great opportunity to give Murphy more time across half forward. My reason for this is not just because he's shown what a good goal kicker he is this year, but games like round one in 2008 when he played off half forward, he was absolutely brilliant.

 

[Ricksta13]

B: Thornton, Jamison, Russell.
HB: Walker, Waite, Davies.
C: Simpson, Gibbs, Carrazzo.
HF: Robinson, Henderson, Houlihan.
F: Garlett, Kreuzer, Betts

Foll: Warnock, Judd, Murphy.

INT: Hampson, Joseph, Bower, O'hAilpin

I think if Robinson's kicking has improved he could possibly hold down a HFF or FP position for most of the year, and with the news of Kreuzer bulking up over the summer I would really like him to be settled in at FF with Henderson at CHF in 2010, also as we seen a few times this year Thornton can float forward sometimes and kick 1 or 2 goals per game, i'd like to see maybe Thornton and Henderson rotate between forward and back as Henderson played most of his career with Brisbane as a defender I think he could help out down back when needed

GO BAGGERS!

 

[Sin City]

No room for McLean or Joseph Ricksta?

Three talls on the bench?

 

[Bentick's My Man.]

Don't forget Bower also Ricksta .

Waite to CHF peoples, the man said it himself. Henderson also basically laid claim to the FF role. The ruckman will play 3rd tall along with big 'Tant.

HF Yarran Waite Walker
F Betts Henderson Kruezer

 

[goreds]

Don't forget Bower also Ricksta .

Waite to CHF peoples, the man said it himself. Henderson also basically laid claim to the FF role. The ruckman will play 3rd tall along with big 'Tant.

HF Yarran Waite Walker
F Betts Henderson Kruezer

Named him on the bench....

Bower may have a task a head of him next season to keep his place...

I think Austin is his direct competition and will push him once fit...

Austin is just as quick, has better hands and a better kick...

 

[Weiterbot23]

Kreuzer-Waite-Houlihan
Betts-Hendolenko-Garlett

I Have left Yarran out because I would like to see him up the ground preferibly on the wing.

Great Targets in Hendo, Kreuz and Waite. Kreuz and Waite can push up the ground and use their arobic cabicity to take marks up the ground.

Great Forward line pressure from the bruddas

and a touch of class with houlihans silk

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

My forward line >>> Everyone else's.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Ricksta - Snapping Warnock in half and playing 103cm on the bench and in the ruck?
We're not Essendon.

 

[Bentick's My Man.]

Kreuzer-Waite-Houlihan
Betts-Hendolenko-Garlett

I Have left Yarran out because I would like to see him up the ground preferibly on the wing.

Great Targets in Hendo, Kreuz and Waite. Kreuz and Waite can push up the ground and use their arobic cabicity to take marks up the ground.

Great Forward line pressure from the bruddas

and a touch of class with houlihans silk

Pretty close too.

 

[Jimies]

Kreuzer-Waite-Houlihan
Betts-Hendolenko-Garlett

I Have left Yarran out because I would like to see him up the ground preferibly on the wing.

Great Targets in Hendo, Kreuz and Waite. Kreuz and Waite can push up the ground and use their arobic cabicity to take marks up the ground.

Great Forward line pressure from the bruddas

and a touch of class with houlihans silk

A++++

 

[Kramer1]

Waite seems to be dropping some fairly heavy hints as to his role next year. In an ideal world we would have the luxury of letting him roam the corridor Richo style, but I like the sound of him at CHF next year.

Most importantly he will draw a quality defender. There will be no zoning off and dropping back to clog up the 50. He will work hard up the ground and take good defenders with him. We have quality link up players in Houlihan, Walker and Yarran, and between Henderson and O'Hailpin we will have a big target closer to home.

Time to stop worrying...it will be exciting to see how our forward line comes together next year.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I'd like Carlton to trial Dramoth's idea with one extra left of centre tactic.

Yarran (HFF) No one (CHF) Russell (HFF)
Waite (FP) Betts (FF) Henderson (FP)

1. Start with no CHF at all and play Henderson and Waite out of a pocket each. Means Hendo and waite have room in each pocket and dont clash.
2. Eddie in the FF square supports whichever forward gets honored on the lead or makes runs straight up the ground if space.
3. Yarran (HFF) and Russell (HFF) lead up the ground to create space behind and keep the ball in the fwd line
4. Brock and Judd use the space left by vacant CHF position to run into on our forward like and provide that extra running FWD option with the flight of the ball.
5. Def like to see Brock play a Sammy Mitchell type of role- basically circle work around the centre square ensuring we own the corridor with his attack on the ball
6. Send the extra player who is not at CHF (Setanta/Austin) to CHB to help out and clog up the opposition fwd line and just provide that extra man.
7. Gibbs and our next best kick (Houlabag) to play on the wings to ensure that when we go inside 50, our kicks are spot on. Without Fev, and a young Hendo, we need to ensure the final pas in 2010 is spot on

 

[Heres Waite]

Wow, what an exciting year next year is going to be. I have not been this excited about an upcoming season for such a long time. Big adjustments will be made because of the loss of Fevola, but these adjustments will make our team even stronger in the long term. Next year is a season we sit back and enjoy our team. Our side will have so much unknown about them. Not just the forward line but the midfield and defence as well. Its so hard to put our best 22 on paper now. I have tried but each time I leave a few guys like Carazzo, Grigg, Scotland, Browne, or Armfield out. But this thread is about our forwards so ill talk about that.

Our team has a number of guys that could quite successfully take up a Key Position Post. Waite, Henderson, Ohailpin, are three KPF/KPD that have either done well in the position in the past or in Hendo's case is itching to make a Key Position his own.

Waite has played as a Key Forward before in the absence of Fevola and Whitnall and has dominated every time. Even last year he kicked 3 goals against Collingwood in round 8 and 3 goals against Freo in round 7. Waite was one of the leaders of our team in marks and is a very good kick for goal, kicking 10.2 for the year. Waite is such a fantastic agile forward and covers a lot of the ground. Waite would be an ideal CHF if we played him there all year! The problem that we have with Waite, is that when we take him out of defence, our defence doesn't look as strong. Waite does a fantastic job at CHB against great CHF like Riewoldt, Brown, and Franklin. The good news is that there are not many great CHF in the league. But Waite himself could be one of them. My suggestion (but I am not an expert, just a lover of the game) would be to use Waite as our first choice CHF, but to possibly move him to CHB in a game, if our defence is getting killed, or the other team is getting momentum. This would obviously lose a big body in our forward line but the answer to that I will explain further down.

Henderson - to be honest, I don't know to much about him. But I have been a big fan of Bluebears game by game analysis of him. From the photos I have seen he looks like a tank. Looks to have great upper body strength. Henderson came to Carlton seeking more opportunities as a forward and I think that it is at Full-Forward that we should initially use him. Henderson could be a great one on one full forward, similar to Bradshaw.

Setanta - Setanta is the final piece to this puzzle. I think he did such an amazing job midseason before Fev took him out in the Freo game, and he wasn't the same since. The way Fevola plays sharing a F50 with Fevola is nigh on impossible, unless your a small crumbing type like Betts. Setanta managed to be a second target, even if it was just for a few games, and succeeded where many other forwards before him couldn't - Hartlett, Edwards, Fisher, and even Kennedy couldn't share the F50 with Fev. Put him on the HFF or FP and I see Setanta playing a very similar role to the one Earl Spalding used to play for us. Crashing packs, making space, blocking for other forwards, leading up to the wings to provide a target, and chasing down opposition defenders are the traits our forward line needs but have in the past lacked. Setanta also showed last year that he now has a great set of hands. He is very tall at 200 cm and would be a nightmare for an oppositions third defender to pick up.

Our team also has a number of other options that could be used in the F50 at some stage if one of the above players get injured or Waite needs to move back to help out our defence. Kruezer and Hampson are the obvious ones, but also Austin and Thornton could be tried there. Fisher is also still on our list and I am sure will get named in our team at some stage of the season.

Kruezer is the most important of these options. In my opinion, Kruezer could be anything. Looking forward a few years, Kruezer could be the greatest ruckman since Madden, but if we moved him forward could also develop into the greatest CHF since Kernahan. What a dilemma to have!! Kruezer is a already a fantastic ruckman and has said himself that he sees Ruck as his preferred position on the ground. Therefore Kruezer as a ruckmen is the first option. But Kruezer is my answer to fill the gap if Waite does need to move back to help out the defence in a game.

So my first choice F50 would be

Waite - CHF
Hendo - FF
Setanta - HFF/FP

If Waite has to move back because our defence is getting smashed:

Setanta - CHF
Hendo - FF
Kruezer - HFF/FP

 

[iGNITER]

This looks like a good setup for the Blues IMO

HF - Yarran Waite Henderson
F - Betts Kruezer Garlett

Fair bit of flair and pace with Betts, Yarran and Garlett.
3 Key talls who are all fairly athletic.
Kruezer would make a really good forward - with him up forward Warnock & Hampson are enough to play in the ruck
Waite is a hard person to match up on

 

[Jeremias]

Austin is just as quick, has better hands and a better kick...

Looks like you are heading down the path that Bower has poor disposal.

You sure you want to open that debate again?

Bower is just about the best user of the football on our list.

If Aussie is a better kick than Bower then he's a freak.

But that's not what you were getting at.