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Cast your minds back gentle readers to the Collingwood landscape of 4 years ago.

A desert of middle sized and middle class players with a couple of small oasis' in Pendles and Brodie.

A backgound noise of discontent and poor communication, both from the Administration and the coaching staff.

A young group of players confused and anxious with an authoritarian and - seemingly - remote coaching staff and club.

Many of us <<< puts hand up . . were upset and anxious nearly every game with our players unable to give their best efforts with anything like consistency. Calls from within and without to buy in high priced recruits to lift us back into contention gained stridency with every loss as we stumbled around in the football wilderness far from the consistency and excellence that Collingwood supporters have been accustomed to expect.

But the administration and coaching panel held their nerve and looked to develop their players and adapt our game plan to suit the playing group. A persistent rash of medium and long term injuries to key players marred our performances and blurred the development of young men needing onfield leadership and held back our climb more than significantly.

Last year the plan finally bore fruit, the young group finally reached critical mass and with the recruitment of young Stevo we not only marched up the ladder, but gave the rest of the competition and their supporters the fright of their lives. Playing through the finals series with what was - in effect - a third string backline we overcome all odds to come within a kick of winning perhaps our second most famous flag - '58 versus Melbourne is undeniably the most important.

Now we stand on the cusp of our next flag, forward brothers and sisters with faith in the playing group and the plan. We have all we require to complete the deal - even with significant injuries - as we proved so emphatically last year.
 
I have blocked 2014-2017 from my memory, I can hardly remember anything that happened. It's the new era, 2018 onwards.

I just remember how Shit we where and Trying to Forget how bad we where
 

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Turned out to be an inspired decision to keep Buckley, when a lot called for change. If we had of got a new coach, it would have been back to square 1 and try to implement a totally different plan and we wouldn't have had the success we have had recently. Glad we backed him in despite pressure not to and stuck to what we were trying to achieve, in hindsight you can see we are in the right hands and there was a plan all along.
 
No doubt it makes me deserving of the Fonzie handle, but I remain convinced that we jad an ok list that should have played finals, but were badly coached. Just as the inexperienced Langdon improved, so too did the inexperienced coach. Thankfully, they both appear to be guns now.
 
If you go back to the 2009 threads, on the board, everyone wanted Malthouse sacked and his around-the-boundary game plan gone. Funny how quickly things can turnaround.

Well at least for some clubs.... same can't really be said for the Blues.
 
Turned out to be an inspired decision to keep Buckley, when a lot called for change. If we had of got a new coach, it would have been back to square 1 and try to implement a totally different plan and we wouldn't have had the success we have had recently. Glad we backed him in despite pressure not to and stuck to what we were trying to achieve, in hindsight you can see we are in the right hands and there was a plan all along.

I still think we could of Easily Sacked Bucks then but Looking back and see what happened it was better that we did not
 
I still think we could of Easily Sacked Bucks then but Looking back and see what happened it was better that we did not

Goes to show what backing your man in does... we made a decision to stand by him when it got hard and it paid massive dividends. He was inexperienced when he started but learnt every day and turned into one of the best coaches in the league.
 
If you go back to the 2009 threads, on the board, everyone wanted Malthouse sacked and his around-the-boundary game plan gone. Funny how quickly things can turnaround.

Well at least for some clubs.... same can't really be said for the Blues.

It goes to show those behind the scenes actually do know better than us... it's hard to judge on anything other than game day performance if you are a supporter but there's a lot more to it. I think it's the right move to carefully select a coach then give him a 10 year crack at it to fully realise the kind of team and game plan he wants, if we hire him we have to back him 100%. Bucks could probably go another 10 years if we keep getting results and he gets that long dreamed about flag.
 
I remember uncharacteristically smashing my fist on my desk when I first read that Buckley had been re-signed after the 2017 season. I'm not a physically aggressive person but seeing that absolutely cut me. My interest in the club and the way it went had never been any lower. I thought we'd wasted the best years of Pendlebury, Sidebottom and Treloar and I didn't see any true upside in many of our youngsters based on exposed form. My faith in Eddie was gone for the very first time, and I was confident that the club preferred marketing and financial success over on field success.

Fifty rounds of applause toward Buckley, Eddie, Dekka Hine, Walsh and anybody else in the back whose played a role in the revival of this club. I would be a lot younger than most on this forum so this doesn't mean as much but my interest in the club and my love for the players has never been greater. The last 12 months of following this club has been amazing.

Absolutely stoked that I was wrong about Bucks and basically everything else. Absolutely over the moon.
 

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I remember uncharacteristically smashing my fist on my desk when I first read that Buckley had been re-signed after the 2017 season. I'm not a physically aggressive person but seeing that absolutely cut me. My interest in the club and the way it went had never been any lower. I thought we'd wasted the best years of Pendlebury, Sidebottom and Treloar and I didn't see any true upside in many of our youngsters based on exposed form. My faith in Eddie was gone for the very first time, and I was confident that the club preferred marketing and financial success over on field success.

Fifty rounds of applause toward Buckley, Eddie, Dekka Hine, Walsh and anybody else in the back whose played a role in the revival of this club. I would be a lot younger than most on this forum so this doesn't mean as much but my interest in the club and my love for the players has never been greater. The last 12 months of following this club has been amazing.

Absolutely stoked that I was wrong about Bucks and basically everything else. Absolutely over the moon.

It's been a bloody epic turnaround that basically come from nowhere. If you had of told me we would make the 2018 grand final and be flag favourites in 2019 in 2017 I would have laughed at you. I thought too we were destined for years of struggling. They pulled something out of thin air considering we have had no major personnel changes, just steady development by everyone.
 
It's been a bloody epic turnaround that basically come from nowhere. If you had of told me we would make the 2018 grand final and be flag favourites in 2019 in 2017 I would have laughed at you. I thought too we were destined for years of struggling. They pulled something out of thin air considering we have had no major personnel changes, just steady development by everyone.
I reckon an unsung hero at the club is Justin Longmuir, who we plucked ahead of the 2018 season as defensive coach and he's made a truly formidable back line out of what appeared to be a very limited group.
 
If you go back to the 2009 threads, on the board, everyone wanted Malthouse sacked and his around-the-boundary game plan gone. Funny how quickly things can turnaround.

Well at least for some clubs.... same can't really be said for the Blues.

Your point about the around the boundary game plan reminds me of something that's probably worth it's own thread.

It always either frustrates me or makes me laugh about how the footy smarts of some of the most vocal armchair coaches at a live game haven't progressed far from the 70s. "Kick it long", "just kick it!", "go down the middle", "stop handballing" as if the game hasn't progressed tactically in 40 years. In 2011 if we weren't belting a team by more than 10 goals the crowd would groan and whinge about not going "up the guts" despite the fact our boundary line play helped give us a premiership. Our handballing game was our key attribute last year and we still have "JUST KICK IT" "STOP HANDBALLING" shouts despite the fact that that was exactly the way we thrashed the team last week that you loved so much.
 
I reckon an unsung hero at the club is Justin Longmuir, who we plucked ahead of the 2018 season as defensive coach and he's made a truly formidable back line out of what appeared to be a very limited group.
Yeah our defence in 2015-17 was half committed to a zone that the (admittedly younger) players didn't get. It improved immensely when Howe had the breakout year in 2017 but it was very much reliant on his ability to read the flight and nothing else. In 2018 the big change was everyone was buying in to it. It probably cost Howe a certain all australian as the license to peel off your player was shared amongst everyone rather than the gameplan being all about creating the extra 1 for Howe. Now there's 100% trust between every player, even with Moore and Roughead essentially new players back there. It's nothing revolutionary game plan wise but just the cohesiveness and trust that kicked into place in an otherwise turbulent year in terms of injuries in the backline was nothing short of amazing.
 
Yeah our defence in 2015-17 was half committed to a zone that the (admittedly younger) players didn't get. It improved immensely when Howe had the breakout year in 2017 but it was very much reliant on his ability to read the flight and nothing else. In 2018 the big change was everyone was buying in to it. It probably cost Howe a certain all australian as the license to peel off your player was shared amongst everyone rather than the gameplan being all about creating the extra 1 for Howe. Now there's 100% trust between every player, even with Moore and Roughead essentially new players back there. It's nothing revolutionary game plan wise but just the cohesiveness and trust that kicked into place in an otherwise turbulent year in terms of injuries in the backline was nothing short of amazing.

In those years, I don't think it was just the players who didn't get how to zone, it was the coaches too. They tried to go with a complete zone with no individual accountability, which meant that players had to be adept at covering all player types. Then to make it worse they tried to continue with that awful tactic of automatically peeling off your man to meet the ball carrier, which in terms of a zone meant peeling out of the zone and leaving a massive hole in it. For it to work, everyone would have had to instantaneously reposition. It was a tactic that was more half committed to zoning than any of the players were. I don't think a defence of Scarlett, Hodge, Enright, and three peers would have made those tactics work. It was a recipe for the disaster that ensued.
 
The club really is in the box seat in 2019 to cash in, but make no mistake there are under no illusions of the difficulty they face in reaching the ultimate goal, the professionalism within the club to achieve results is immense. The coaching staff deserve a lot of credit for what they have done to this team over the last 2 seasons, and I would love nothing more to see Nathan Buckley get his premiership.
 

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No doubt it makes me deserving of the Fonzie handle, but I remain convinced that we jad an ok list that should have played finals, but were badly coached. Just as the inexperienced Langdon improved, so too did the inexperienced coach. Thankfully, they both appear to be guns now.

But as I habitually noted, half of it was sitting in the grandstands matchday.
 
Goes to show what backing your man in does... we made a decision to stand by him when it got hard and it paid massive dividends. He was inexperienced when he started but learnt every day and turned into one of the best coaches in the league.

Did work out this time but it's not something that will be 100% sure it works all the time
 

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