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Originally posted by dyertribe
Well if you disagree with my sentiments, what teams would we have beaten on Saturday night's showing?

Because to my mind, the vast majority don't have the AFL crest printed on their clobber.
We lost to the top side by less than three goals, so seeking as though we were at home I reckon we could probably have beaten 10 of the other 14 sides at least.

You are making it your business in my view to being as negative nad cynical as you can about the AFC at the moment.

Sure its been pretty bad but there have been some positives.

Chin up.:p
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Well if you disagree with my sentiments, praytel what teams would we have beaten on Saturday night's showing?

Because to my mind, the vast majority don't have the AFL crest printed on their clobber.
Saints are one of the better teams going around. Reckon we would have beaten the majority of other Victorian teams Saturday night. Wasn't a disgraceful effort.
 

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Originally posted by Jars458
We lost to the top side by less than three goals, so seeking as though we were at home I reckon we could probably have beaten 10 of the other 14 sides at least.
The top side who are still unproven and have plenty of question marks hanging over them. Pound for pound I doubt we'd have taken any of the other decent sides on Saturday night with the exception of Richmond and possibly Geelong.

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You are making it your business in my view to being as negative and cynical as you can about the AFC at the moment.
I've just dead sick of hype and no substance eminating from West Lakes all the time. The writing was on the wall late last year yet the club and its senior players kept throwing the words "top four" around, now they belatedly come out and say "erm... ok we'll make the top eight."

If our recruiting officers, coaching staff and general management have no idea how to spot, measure and value talent then god help us.

After last year's abysmal end to the season the club should've shut its mouth, put its head down and come out breathing fire. Instead we came out and got played off the park by a middle-of-the-road Kangaroos side before going on to lose our next three.

It's not good enough and I'm tired of hearing the same excuses made year-in year-out.
 

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being fair to the team........our last 3/4 agaisnt brisbane wasnt to bad either. Brisbane are a fair group of players going around

so let judge our form on this weeks game, if we lose then we deserve to be bottom...Richmond are a discrace
 

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Wasn't a disgraceful effort.
Wasn't disgraceful, wasn't good either. If a gaggle of first, second and third year kids can better us in all departments - on our home ground - it doesn't say much for our current and immediate future prospects.
 

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IMO the effort on Saturday night would have beaten all but 3-4 sides in the competition - Port, Brisbane, St Kilda and maybe Sydney. The work rate was there but we just let ourselves down with disposal and thinking.

Kangaroos loss was a shocker.
Brisbane jumped us and we fought back OK against a genuine top 4 team.
Fremantle are going to be extremely hard to beat in WA and we had plenty of chances but wasted them with poor kicking.
St Kilda are a genuine top 4 side this year IMO.

Yes, we are 0 and 4, but it probably isn't as bad as it looks. However, lose this week and it is. This week has to be a fair dinkum crack with our best possible side against a side that we should beat. Who knows what can happen after that with a bit of confidence.
 
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Originally posted by dyertribe
Wasn't disgraceful, wasn't good either. If a gaggle of first, second and third year kids can better us in all departments - on our home ground - it doesn't say much for our current and immediate future prospects.
Don't get me wrong, I'm annoyed that we let the game slip, but it was our lack of class, rather than endeavour that lost the game.

We were atrocious & uncompetitive against the Roos.

I was also more upset with the Lions loss as we were pathetic in the 1st quarter. I took no solace from outscoring them over the last 3 quarters, as the game was already over.

Freo game I can't comment on too much, as I missed the 1st half.

All is not lost as the performances are improving & we are not far from a win ... though if we lose this WE, I will be devastated! :eek:
 

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I don't think we are far away from a win. In fact I think we should win our next 2 BUT the question must be asked if we will make the 8 and if we do are we good enough to win the flag. I think the answer is NO.

We lose 1 midfielder and we are already very thin in the engine room. We can't kick a winning score and no one can take a mark in the forward line to save their life.

We might make the 8 but what good does that do to our club. We must win 12 of the last 18 games and with our poor percentage I wouldn't be surprised if thats 13 wins. Considering that we play Port 2 twice and Brisbane at the GABBA there are 3 certain losses. that leaves 12 or 13 games out of 15. That would be a HUGE ask even fro the best of teams.

Would it really be THAT bad if we are really ordinary for a couple of year. I for one would rather see us bite the bullett and rebuild than keep patching up holes and be ordinary for the next decade or so.
 
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Originally posted by Stiffy_18


Would it really be THAT bad if we are really ordinary for a couple of year. I for one would rather see us bite the bullett and rebuild than keep patching up holes and be ordinary for the next decade or so.
That's a case of short term pain for long term gain, which I reckon most supporters wouldn't mind, but are the players and the coach really going to just throw in the towel only 4 rounds into the season?
 

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Originally posted by crazed_crow
That's a case of short term pain for long term gain, which I reckon most supporters wouldn't mind, but are the players and the coach really going to just throw in the towel only 4 rounds into the season?
There's no need to throw in the towel to get good draft picks, we're more than capable of trying hard and still losing plenty of games this year.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Pound for pound I doubt we'd have taken any of the other decent sides on Saturday night with the exception of Richmond and possibly Geelong.
*Peers at our draw for the next two rounds*
 

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Originally posted by ant
There's no need to throw in the towel to get good draft picks, we're more than capable of trying hard and still losing plenty of games this year.
:eek: :D

Wow, thats a snipe that anyone would be proud of. My hat is off to you, sir.

You guys knew the start of this year was a ****ty draw and with a good run home...why is it so surprising that you're one game below the average? You've lost 2 home games. You have 10 more. Its not the drama its being painted as.
 
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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
...<snip>...
Would it really be THAT bad if we are really ordinary for a couple of year. I for one would rather see us bite the bullett and rebuild than keep patching up holes and be ordinary for the next decade or so.
Yes it would be THAT bad, you don't need to bad to rebuild.

Essendon's record since the Crows have been in the AFL is
Year Wo Lo Dr Win% Avg PF Avg PA Fin Tms Finals Remarks
1991 13 10 0 056.5 099.0 092.6 6 15 Y
1992 12 10 0 054.5 101.9 109.7 8 15 N
1993 16 7 1 068.8 116.0 096.8 1 15 Y Premiers
1994 11 11 0 050.0 094.3 096.3 10 15 N
1995 15 7 2 066.7 108.8 086.3 5 16 Y
1996 15 9 1 062.0 100.9 090.4 4 16 Y
1997 9 13 0 040.9 091.1 098.6 14 16 N
1998 12 11 0 052.2 100.4 093.6 8 16 Y
1999 19 5 0 079.2 109.4 086.0 3 16 Y
2000 24 1 0 096.0 131.0 079.9 1 16 Y Premiers
2001 19 6 0 076.0 112.8 084.5 2 16 Y Runners Up
2002 13 10 1 056.3 087.9 083.7 5 16 Y
2003 14 10 0 058.3 097.3 087.5 6 16 Y

They've only missed the finals in 3 years and that was with a 12-10 record in 92, a 11-11 record in 94 and their worst season of 9-13 in 97.

Hopefully, this puts to rest the fallacy that you have to be crap in order to rebuild. See it for what it is - a copout from coaches trying to excuse their own incompetence. Every year is a rebuilding year and every club should be doing it.
 
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Originally posted by Porthos
:eek: :D

Wow, thats a snipe that anyone would be proud of. My hat is off to you, sir.

You guys knew the start of this year was a ****ty draw and with a good run home...why is it so surprising that you're one game below the average? You've lost 2 home games. You have 10 more. Its not the drama its being painted as.
It's not so much the results that hurt Muskateer, it's the way they go about it. Unless AFC can find a tall forward to take the pressure off Carey then it will be a very long season.
 

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Originally posted by naughty monkey
Every year is a rebuilding year and every club should be doing it.
Exactly my thoughts.

Every year teams will delist around 4-6 players and replace them in the draft. Every year you need to rebuild by 10%-15% of your squad. Doesn't matter whether you finish last or finish top.

Port are another example of a team that has managed to continually bring in good young players despite finishing towards the top of the ladder.


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Originally posted by naughty monkey
Every year is a rebuilding year and every club should be doing it.
Your criticism is about 18 months too late then.

Trading high draft picks for Carey wasn't rebuilding.

Swapping 20yo Finnin for 30yo Burns wasn't rebuilding.

Delisting and then re-listing fringe players like Shirley, Skipworth and Smith wasn't rebuilding.

We've put off rebuilding in recent times and now we're paying for it.
 
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Originally posted by DaveW
Your criticism is about 18 months too late then.

Trading high draft picks for Carey wasn't rebuilding.

Swapping 20yo Finnin for 30yo Burns wasn't rebuilding.

Delisting and then re-listing fringe players like Shirley, Skipworth and Smith wasn't rebuilding.

We've put off rebuilding in recent times and now we're paying for it.
it's been a criticism of mine for most of the Crows existence. I can't believe how inactive they can be during the trade period. Was it last year, or the year before when they flew back to Adelaide before the trade period had closed? That was bordering on insanity, imo. How do they expect to pick up bargains like Pickett without being in people's faces?
 

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Originally posted by crows98
Our problem is that we haven got any ready made forwards playing now as a KPP in the SANFL to come into the side.

who ATM playes as a key postion forward, Regularly in the SANFL. All of our talls are defenders ( Bock, Parker, Smith, Even Perrie was started at FB for NORTH untill 5 mins into the 3rd quarter he was moved to CHF or HFF, Is ben Rutten plaing centre half back for west or up forward this year?)

Everyone has questionsed our game plan, the senior players , the coach now l am saying the club need to look at Jhon reid.The club needs to ask him to place more pressure on the SANFL coaches to Constantly play ( Rutten bock and Watts when he gets a senior game for the eagles as key forwards)
Well at least the Crows players are getting a full SANFL game these days. They're not starting on the bench (Hello Neil Craig!) when they get dropped from the Crows.

As for our KPP's in The SANFL...Smith does not appear to have the footy smarts for AFL footy. I seriously doubt he'd be called upon.

Parker was recruited as a defender.

Bock - has the height but I dont think he has the strength for a full back AFL gig. Needs to get into the side at some point to show his stuff and I think his best bet may be as a forward.

Having said that, I dont mind him as a defender as we need some tall backmen. I'd like to see how Bock goes in defence for the Eagles.

Rutten - Rhenny does like the guy (happy with his game last week)and gives him some tough tasks. I dont mind him as a defender, but think his best bet is as a full forward. I think rehn will look after him down there.

He hasnt been Wests FF due to the fact that Richardson, Bradshaw and their new bloke have been recruited as FF.

I cant blame west for recruiting ready made key position players like Richo and Bradshaw. They cant afford to put all their eggs in one basket with the AFL listed players.

Dabrowski - havent seen enough of him to make a comment on his AFL potential. Certainly has the size for a KPP but seems set as a back up ruckman.

Watts - played forward for the eagles ressies last week - see the Fergus Watts thread for my review. Needs match fitness but will play forward and is a our best prospect.

Krueger - they have a few tall players down at the Bay and dont seem to use them that well (Duldig). When he gets fit I dont know where he will get a run in the seniors now they are playing Golding at FF.

Andrews - another tall option for the Bays who might fnd it hard to get into the seniors with their other big blokes. Seems set as a ruckman but could get a run as a forward. He's a good mark and he has a nice long, straight kick.
 

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Originally posted by Jerome
Andrews - another tall option for the Bays who might fnd it hard to get into the seniors with their other big blokes. Seems set as a ruckman but could get a run as a forward. He's a good mark and he has a nice long, straight kick.
He is a very interesting one. He has been playing well in Ressies for the Tigers, regularly making the best players for his side. He does need some serious muscle. I see he was named Glenelg's best player in the ressies again on the weekend.
 
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