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Kingy writes today that for a Premiership tilt a team needs 'four genuine stsr factor players'.

The fill is the role playing of the rest of the team and the tactical influence of Scotts.

Who are potentially our 'Four' the next two to five years?

I have...

BBB
Ldu
Jy
????
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Cunners
Higgins
BBB
Goldy
JZ
Tarrant
Polec
Ahern
White Walker
Jedi Master
Jacobs
Jy
EVW
BMac
LMac
Wood
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How many of those are genuine A graders? I count 4. A couple well on the way to becoming A grade if their best becomes their consistent output. Jacobs, def if fit. JZ can be as a forward. The rest are could be's, should have beens or have beens.
 

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How many of those are genuine A graders? I count 4. A couple well on the way to becoming A grade if their best becomes their consistent output. Jacobs, def if fit. JZ can be as a forward. The rest are could be's, should have beens or have beens.

 

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I went to hit like on Passmore's post and it had unlike. I can't even remember coming in this thread or even seeing it.
 

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Kingy writes today that for a Premiership tilt a team needs 'four genuine stsr factor players'.

The fill is the role playing of the rest of the team and the tactical influence of Scotts.

Who are potentially our 'Four' the next two to five years?

I have...

BBB
Ldu
Jy
????
BBB is an important cog in out team and has shown that he is a consistent and reliable target up forward.

LDU and Jy haven't shown shit yet.

I think Ziebell has the "potential" to be a one of the stars as a half-forward. He hasn't spent a lot of time as a permanent half-forward and he looks like he is making shit up on the fly for the large majority of time, but on the occasions we utilise space on the forward line and single him him out he is capable of being extremely dangerous. Richmond are smarter in how they use Martin when he is up forward and I think they get more out of him when he does. We need to develop some game plan tactics which exploit his beastliness. That being said, he needs to tidy up his goal kicking, he was wasteful last season.

Cunnington is an inside beast but outside of stoppages he tends to walk or jog around, if he got an hour of fishing time for each uncontested possession he earned I am guessing he would bust his arse a bit harder outside of stoppages. When he does go into god mode he is a freak and I haven't seen a premiership team that hasn't had an A-Class extractor. He needs to desire to be the best, I think he has it in him but he gets too comfortable at times with just doing his inside work.

Higgins is world class.

Goldy is an exceptional ruckman, his one weaknesses seems to be against the aggressively physical types and I think Hawthorn has pegged him as a bit soft which is why they targeted him for behind the play cheap shots. In his AA year he was fantastic, but I think he needs to get on the angry pills and utilise his mass a lot more effectively, he should put the fear of god into the smaller guys that try to get in his space. It may sound unsportsman-like but he should be looking to put a little runt into hospital early in the season that gets in his way to set the tone that he isn't going to take anyone's shit this year.

Jacobs, if he can resume at the same standard where he left off is a game changing midfielder, he not only strangles the best opposition midfielder to death, he quite humorously also goes on the offensive and rubs salt into the wound by being quite effective, before getting hurt he was averaging 19.1 disposals, kicked 5 goals and had 6 goal assists, he was offensively one of our better midfielders despite him also pulling down the pants of the oppositions best midfielder at the same time.

I think Tarrant has fallen back somewhat, I don't think his one-on-one work was that great last season and seemed to concede a lot of goals to forwards he wouldn't have given a sniff to in previous years, he is still a good player though, he has a Rance-like ability at times to lose the plot when the defensive structure isn't working. I mean, how often is he nowhere in the vicinity of any key forwards when we see small guys trying to compete against key forwards. Not sure how much our players are to blame and how much is the game plan, but if you are the FB and a FF is kicking goals on 5 foot tall players, it is still on you. Still, I think if we get our shit together he can be one of the guns that may help us to compete in the short-term.

I think if we can get our shit together, we have a very good core group. It will be interesting to see the impact that Tyson, Hall and Polec will have in the midfield. I think Tyson is going to be a lot better than some people think, he could potentially be the pick of the recruits from last year if we can get the right structure. I think we got the best out of Cunnington when we had Greenwood in the side and as much as I like Anderson, Dumont and Ahern, they are bit undersized or don't play inside that competitively. In games where Cunnington has been worked over or injured, we may as well have pulled up stumps and gone home, especially post Jacobs getting injured. I think we have better variety of inside vs outside and more options within the inside and outside group now, it just comes down to can we get them to gel. Most other clubs that have injected a lot of fresh faces to the core team have not gone spectacularly in the first year after but some took off a couple of years later.
 

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BBB is an important cog in out team and has shown that he is a consistent and reliable target up forward.

LDU and Jy haven't shown shit yet.

I think Ziebell has the "potential" to be a one of the stars as a half-forward. He hasn't spent a lot of time as a permanent half-forward and he looks like he is making shit up on the fly for the large majority of time, but on the occasions we utilise space on the forward line and single him him out he is capable of being extremely dangerous. Richmond are smarter in how they use Martin when he is up forward and I think they get more out of him when he does. We need to develop some game plan tactics which exploit his beastliness. That being said, he needs to tidy up his goal kicking, he was wasteful last season.

Cunnington is an inside beast but outside of stoppages he tends to walk or jog around, if he got an hour of fishing time for each uncontested possession he earned I am guessing he would bust his arse a bit harder outside of stoppages. When he does go into god mode he is a freak and I haven't seen a premiership team that hasn't had an A-Class extractor. He needs to desire to be the best, I think he has it in him but he gets too comfortable at times with just doing his inside work.

Higgins is world class.

Goldy is an exceptional ruckman, his one weaknesses seems to be against the aggressively physical types and I think Hawthorn has pegged him as a bit soft which is why they targeted him for behind the play cheap shots. In his AA year he was fantastic, but I think he needs to get on the angry pills and utilise his mass a lot more effectively, he should put the fear of god into the smaller guys that try to get in his space. It may sound unsportsman-like but he should be looking to put a little runt into hospital early in the season that gets in his way to set the tone that he isn't going to take anyone's shit this year.

Jacobs, if he can resume at the same standard where he left off is a game changing midfielder, he not only strangles the best opposition midfielder to death, he quite humorously also goes on the offensive and rubs salt into the wound by being quite effective, before getting hurt he was averaging 19.1 disposals, kicked 5 goals and had 6 goal assists, he was offensively one of our better midfielders despite him also pulling down the pants of the oppositions best midfielder at the same time.

I think Tarrant has fallen back somewhat, I don't think his one-on-one work was that great last season and seemed to concede a lot of goals to forwards he wouldn't have given a sniff to in previous years, he is still a good player though, he has a Rance-like ability at times to lose the plot when the defensive structure isn't working. I mean, how often is he nowhere in the vicinity of any key forwards when we see small guys trying to compete against key forwards. Not sure how much our players are to blame and how much is the game plan, but if you are the FB and a FF is kicking goals on 5 foot tall players, it is still on you. Still, I think if we get our shit together he can be one of the guns that may help us to compete in the short-term.

I think if we can get our shit together, we have a very good core group. It will be interesting to see the impact that Tyson, Hall and Polec will have in the midfield. I think Tyson is going to be a lot better than some people think, he could potentially be the pick of the recruits from last year if we can get the right structure. I think we got the best out of Cunnington when we had Greenwood in the side and as much as I like Anderson, Dumont and Ahern, they are bit undersized or don't play inside that competitively. In games where Cunnington has been worked over or injured, we may as well have pulled up stumps and gone home, especially post Jacobs getting injured. I think we have better variety of inside vs outside and more options within the inside and outside group now, it just comes down to can we get them to gel. Most other clubs that have injected a lot of fresh faces to the core team have not gone spectacularly in the first year after but some took off a couple of years later.
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Jacobs, Goldstein, Brown and Tarrant are all top 4 in their role/position in the AFL. Cunnington and Higgins are top level talents. No doubt. Ziebell kicked 30+ as a mid-sized flanker.

West Coast’s Grand Final 22? Elite forward (Kennedy) and intercept defender (McGovern). Yeo is up there. But everyone else just contributed. Did their job. No weak links. Had a plan and stuck to it. Well coached. Well executed. Fell 5 goals down in a Grand Final. No panic. Got the job done. The whole “must have elite players in every line” and “must have X factor” is currently bullshit. Don’t get me started on the Dogs in 2016 or Tigers in 2017. Any side that has elite everywhere and X factor can win the next 3 flags. North don’t but have enough to win one if EVERYTHING goes right.
 
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BBB is an important cog in out team and has shown that he is a consistent and reliable target up forward.

LDU and Jy haven't shown shit yet.

I think Ziebell has the "potential" to be a one of the stars as a half-forward. He hasn't spent a lot of time as a permanent half-forward and he looks like he is making shit up on the fly for the large majority of time, but on the occasions we utilise space on the forward line and single him him out he is capable of being extremely dangerous. Richmond are smarter in how they use Martin when he is up forward and I think they get more out of him when he does. We need to develop some game plan tactics which exploit his beastliness. That being said, he needs to tidy up his goal kicking, he was wasteful last season.

Cunnington is an inside beast but outside of stoppages he tends to walk or jog around, if he got an hour of fishing time for each uncontested possession he earned I am guessing he would bust his arse a bit harder outside of stoppages. When he does go into god mode he is a freak and I haven't seen a premiership team that hasn't had an A-Class extractor. He needs to desire to be the best, I think he has it in him but he gets too comfortable at times with just doing his inside work.

Higgins is world class.

Goldy is an exceptional ruckman, his one weaknesses seems to be against the aggressively physical types and I think Hawthorn has pegged him as a bit soft which is why they targeted him for behind the play cheap shots. In his AA year he was fantastic, but I think he needs to get on the angry pills and utilise his mass a lot more effectively, he should put the fear of god into the smaller guys that try to get in his space. It may sound unsportsman-like but he should be looking to put a little runt into hospital early in the season that gets in his way to set the tone that he isn't going to take anyone's shit this year.

Jacobs, if he can resume at the same standard where he left off is a game changing midfielder, he not only strangles the best opposition midfielder to death, he quite humorously also goes on the offensive and rubs salt into the wound by being quite effective, before getting hurt he was averaging 19.1 disposals, kicked 5 goals and had 6 goal assists, he was offensively one of our better midfielders despite him also pulling down the pants of the oppositions best midfielder at the same time.

I think Tarrant has fallen back somewhat, I don't think his one-on-one work was that great last season and seemed to concede a lot of goals to forwards he wouldn't have given a sniff to in previous years, he is still a good player though, he has a Rance-like ability at times to lose the plot when the defensive structure isn't working. I mean, how often is he nowhere in the vicinity of any key forwards when we see small guys trying to compete against key forwards. Not sure how much our players are to blame and how much is the game plan, but if you are the FB and a FF is kicking goals on 5 foot tall players, it is still on you. Still, I think if we get our shit together he can be one of the guns that may help us to compete in the short-term.

I think if we can get our shit together, we have a very good core group. It will be interesting to see the impact that Tyson, Hall and Polec will have in the midfield. I think Tyson is going to be a lot better than some people think, he could potentially be the pick of the recruits from last year if we can get the right structure. I think we got the best out of Cunnington when we had Greenwood in the side and as much as I like Anderson, Dumont and Ahern, they are bit undersized or don't play inside that competitively. In games where Cunnington has been worked over or injured, we may as well have pulled up stumps and gone home, especially post Jacobs getting injured. I think we have better variety of inside vs outside and more options within the inside and outside group now, it just comes down to can we get them to gel. Most other clubs that have injected a lot of fresh faces to the core team have not gone spectacularly in the first year after but some took off a couple of years later.
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BBB is an important cog in out team and has shown that he is a consistent and reliable target up forward.

LDU and Jy haven't shown shit yet.

I think Ziebell has the "potential" to be a one of the stars as a half-forward. He hasn't spent a lot of time as a permanent half-forward and he looks like he is making shit up on the fly for the large majority of time, but on the occasions we utilise space on the forward line and single him him out he is capable of being extremely dangerous. Richmond are smarter in how they use Martin when he is up forward and I think they get more out of him when he does. We need to develop some game plan tactics which exploit his beastliness. That being said, he needs to tidy up his goal kicking, he was wasteful last season.

Cunnington is an inside beast but outside of stoppages he tends to walk or jog around, if he got an hour of fishing time for each uncontested possession he earned I am guessing he would bust his arse a bit harder outside of stoppages. When he does go into god mode he is a freak and I haven't seen a premiership team that hasn't had an A-Class extractor. He needs to desire to be the best, I think he has it in him but he gets too comfortable at times with just doing his inside work.

Higgins is world class.

Goldy is an exceptional ruckman, his one weaknesses seems to be against the aggressively physical types and I think Hawthorn has pegged him as a bit soft which is why they targeted him for behind the play cheap shots. In his AA year he was fantastic, but I think he needs to get on the angry pills and utilise his mass a lot more effectively, he should put the fear of god into the smaller guys that try to get in his space. It may sound unsportsman-like but he should be looking to put a little runt into hospital early in the season that gets in his way to set the tone that he isn't going to take anyone's shit this year.

Jacobs, if he can resume at the same standard where he left off is a game changing midfielder, he not only strangles the best opposition midfielder to death, he quite humorously also goes on the offensive and rubs salt into the wound by being quite effective, before getting hurt he was averaging 19.1 disposals, kicked 5 goals and had 6 goal assists, he was offensively one of our better midfielders despite him also pulling down the pants of the oppositions best midfielder at the same time.

I think Tarrant has fallen back somewhat, I don't think his one-on-one work was that great last season and seemed to concede a lot of goals to forwards he wouldn't have given a sniff to in previous years, he is still a good player though, he has a Rance-like ability at times to lose the plot when the defensive structure isn't working. I mean, how often is he nowhere in the vicinity of any key forwards when we see small guys trying to compete against key forwards. Not sure how much our players are to blame and how much is the game plan, but if you are the FB and a FF is kicking goals on 5 foot tall players, it is still on you. Still, I think if we get our shit together he can be one of the guns that may help us to compete in the short-term.

I think if we can get our shit together, we have a very good core group. It will be interesting to see the impact that Tyson, Hall and Polec will have in the midfield. I think Tyson is going to be a lot better than some people think, he could potentially be the pick of the recruits from last year if we can get the right structure. I think we got the best out of Cunnington when we had Greenwood in the side and as much as I like Anderson, Dumont and Ahern, they are bit undersized or don't play inside that competitively. In games where Cunnington has been worked over or injured, we may as well have pulled up stumps and gone home, especially post Jacobs getting injured. I think we have better variety of inside vs outside and more options within the inside and outside group now, it just comes down to can we get them to gel. Most other clubs that have injected a lot of fresh faces to the core team have not gone spectacularly in the first year after but some took off a couple of years later.
JZ's rise to A grade can be as simple as conversion in front of goal. He had plenty of chances last year and needs to improve his accuracy by a minimum 10% on 2018.

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JZ's rise to A grade can be as simple as conversion in front of goal. He had plenty of chances last year and needs to improve his accuracy by a minimum 10% on 2018.

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He has a relatively simple problem to fix, he doesn't kick through the ball at close range like he does further out from goal. A lot of his misses were in the corridor within 50m and he probably lacks the repetition in the chip kick for goal kicking action for it to be accurate under fatigue/pressure conditions. Now that he is a forward, he doesn't have the luxury to be sloppy in his primary role, you can forgive midfielders who aren't the greatest shot on goal, but now that he is a forward he should be looking to have a kicking action set for any distance that is reliable within the corridor.
 
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