Fourth Test team

[HTPunter]

Yeah I know - it was more of a "**** me how are discussing this guy as a genuine batsman"

I wouldnt go near him. Step backwards there.

Why not go near one of the in form Shield batsmen? Because ages ago he failed as a keeper-batsmen? He can't improve. Is keeping the Marsh brothers in, throwing a kid to the wolves or picking another sub 40 shield average batsman not `backwards`?

 

[HTPunter]

What I`d like
1. Renshaw
2. Finch
3. Head
4. Maxwell
5. Labuschagne
6. Wade
7. Paine
8. Cummins
9. Starc
10. Lyon
11. Hazelwood

What we will get (and fair play I do expect the Marshes to average 40+ in an Aus summer regardless of how shithouse they just were. Just frustrating as a fan the wealth of opportunities offered to them compared to other players i.e. how does Bird get his papers stamped with a reasonable record after 1 bad match...)
1. Renshaw
2. Finch
3. S.Marsh
4. Head
5. Labuschagne
6. M.Marsh
7. Paine
8. Cummins
9. Starc
10. Lyon
11. Hazelwood

 

[HODGEYROAD]

On the flipside our pace attack is likely to be fit and firing and we've got Lyon who is comfortably the worlds best spinner in Australian conditions. If any of the 3 pacemen are below fitness we have a host of depth lead by Jackson Bird.

Problem is we should be creating fast bouncy wickets for this Indian series, but we will have flat drop in decks which will take the advantage away our quicks have against the Indian bats.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

drop both marsh brothers, absolute hacks

 

[Woody15]

Why not go near one of the in form Shield batsmen? Because ages ago he failed as a keeper-batsmen? He can't improve. Is keeping the Marsh brothers in, throwing a kid to the wolves or picking another sub 40 shield average batsman not `backwards`?

I would much rather see them give an opportunity to Jake Lehmann than Wade again. Lehmann is 26 not exactly young. Going back to Wade when we are crying out for some fresh new faces just seems like we are not going anywhere.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think there will only be 3 changes for the Indian series, Cummins and hazlewood in and renshaw in for usman.

You will be unfortunately right..the Marsh spuds will be gifted games on roads

 

[two blue tiger]

Problem is we should be creating fast bouncy wickets for this Indian series, but we will have flat drop in decks which will take the advantage away our quicks have against the Indian bats.

We seem to be the only country in world cricket that doesn't prepare decks to suit out strengths......

Summer will be a tyre fire with our batting lineup exposed in match after match. Bet the execs at Channel 7 are sweating bullets, with ratings on everything except the Big Bash likely to be disastrous.

 

[hugecannon]

If Khawaja is fit I’d go: -

Khawaja
Renshaw
Ferguson
Head
Finch
Maxwell
Paine
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Hazelwood

Hopefully players such as Burns, Cartwright, Lehmann, Weatherald are scoring some big runs over the next 4 shield games to put some actual pressure on for spots because I don’t really like that middle order very much.

 

[Woody15]

If Khawaja is fit I’d go: -

Khawaja
Renshaw
Ferguson
Head
Finch
Maxwell
Paine
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Hazelwood

Hopefully players such as Burns, Cartwright, Lehmann, Weatherald are scoring some big runs over the next 4 shield games to put some actual pressure on for spots because I don’t really like that middle order very much.

Yeh I'd have the same team.

Maybe Ferguson for Lehmann. Probably Ferguson first. And maybe Finch or Khawaja at 3.

 

[Wolfs]

Excluding anything Shield until closer to the series and including Khawaja's injury


1. Finch
2. Renshaw
3. Head
4. Labuschagne
5. Maxwell
6. Mitch Marsh - Last chance saloon
7. Paine
8. Cummins
9. Starc
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

 

[Gethelred]

Problem is we should be creating fast bouncy wickets for this Indian series, but we will have flat drop in decks which will take the advantage away our quicks have against the Indian bats.

Problem is, their quicks are fairly good in bouncy conditions these days, and the advantage we have at home against the indians (that we can take 20 wickets in a test where they're lucky to take 15) is negated by the weakness of our batting.

In short, their quicks are sufficiently good to roll us, and our pitches will dilute our bowling sufficiently to make for some easy runs for their batsmen. It's part of why this'll be a fascinating series; if they fail to win this one, how will they ever beat us over here?

 

[Jimthegreat]

Problem is, their quicks are fairly good in bouncy conditions these days, and the advantage we have at home against the indians (that we can take 20 wickets in a test where they're lucky to take 15) is negated by the weakness of our batting.

In short, their quicks are sufficiently good to roll us, and our pitches will dilute our bowling sufficiently to make for some easy runs for their batsmen. It's part of why this'll be a fascinating series; if they fail to win this one, how will they ever beat us over here?

Their quicks are good in conditions that seam and swing, not hard, bouncy wickets like ours. As long as we don't give India 4 deadset flat roads like we did last time their bowlers will struggle even against our bats in our conditions, while ours thrive. Hard bouncy wickets cause indian bats the most issue.

If they gave us 4 dead set roads then even our bats will make big scores.

 

[Gethelred]

Their quicks are good in conditions that seam and swing, not hard, bouncy wickets like ours. As long as we don't give India 4 deadset flat roads like we did last time their bowlers will struggle even against our bats in our conditions, while ours thrive. Hard bouncy wickets cause indian bats the most issue.

If they gave us 4 dead set roads then even our bats will make big scores.

I don't necessarily agree with you when you say that they perform in conditions that seam and swing, not when they've got Yadav and Shami. Both of those two have proven themselves on bouncy decks in the past, and both of them could go through us (provided Yadav gets picked). Bumrah isn't bad either, although he's more or less exactly what you're talking about.

If there are flat decks in this series, then it will be won by the side that takes the most wickets, and even with our calibre of bowlers I hesitate to pick us, as their batting vs our bowling stacks up far, far better (even over here) than our batting vs their bowling does, provided that the current status quo holds.

I'm hoping you're right, because it'd mean they'd have to play well to beat us, but going in I'm not expecting us to win it, despite their record here.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Excluding anything Shield until closer to the series and including Khawaja's injury


1. Finch
2. Renshaw
3. Head
4. Labuschagne
5. Maxwell
6. Mitch Marsh - Last chance saloon
7. Paine
8. Cummins
9. Starc
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Had to know what bats to pick. Finch and Khawaja (if fit) are the only 2 walk up starts. Renshaw and Head probably, Labuschagne to replace M.Marsh as the batsman who can bowl and adds variety to the attack. Looking to see who makes scores early in the Shield season. Paine and the bowlers pick themselves. Fortunately it's bowlers that often win matches for you but it helps to have a score to bowl too.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I don't necessarily agree with you when you say that they perform in conditions that seam and swing, not when they've got Yadav and Shami. Both of those two have proven themselves on bouncy decks in the past, and both of them could go through us (provided Yadav gets picked). Bumrah isn't bad either, although he's more or less exactly what you're talking about.

If there are flat decks in this series, then it will be won by the side that takes the most wickets, and even with our calibre of bowlers I hesitate to pick us, as their batting vs our bowling stacks up far, far better (even over here) than our batting vs their bowling does, provided that the current status quo holds.

I'm hoping you're right, because it'd mean they'd have to play well to beat us, but going in I'm not expecting us to win it, despite their record here.

On flat decks like last time here even our bats will make runs against their attack as the ball will do absolutely nothing.

In South Africa the home side deliberately produced 3 really green wickets, conducive to swing and seam as they are softer, and those are the regular conditions in England anyway. Australia doesn't swing and seam like that. They are hard and bouncy. If Anderson and Broad struggled here then India's bowlers will struggle even more.

South Africa erred making green pitches, should've left them harder and bouncy like they usually do then they would've won 3-0 rather than 2-1 as it would've kept their strengths as well as neutralised India's. Green wickets just brought India's pacemen back into it. Plus, as Warnie says, if the ball seams then it spins too.

 

[Wolfs]

Had to know what bats to pick. Finch and Khawaja (if fit) are the only 2 walk up starts. Renshaw and Head probably, Labuschagne to replace M.Marsh as the batsman who can bowl and adds variety to the attack. Looking to see who makes scores early in the Shield season. Paine and the bowlers pick themselves. Fortunately it's bowlers that often win matches for you but it helps to have a score to bowl too.

If Marsh, Labs, Maxwell or Head don't score Shield runs, they will be replaced. So we gotta see like you said.

 

[Greenstar5]

The stocks are pretty low with the 3 blokes out. But just an idea, rather than trying to pick young blokes after a good Shield season, why not look back at some test players who have been good enough to get a baggy green, but only played 1 or 2 tests.

An example is Chris Rogers plays 1 test in 2008, doesn't play again until 2013. Probably thought he wouldn't wear the baggy green after his 1 test. Anyways he had years of shield and county cricket under his belt and when he came back, plays another 25 tests over a couple of years and finished with an average of 42.

The same could be said about Tim Paine. Had a couple of tests back in 2010, injuries set him back. Yes he was lucky to be recalled for the Ashes last summer, but has now played 10 more test and has been one of our best.

I look at someone like Callum Ferguson, 7000 FC runs, tons of shield and county games. Got a test call up couple years ago. Was unlucky to not be given a 2nd chance. But maybe now is his time. At 33 (same age as Paine) could have a real opportunity to bat in the middle order and use all his knowledge and experience to become a solid contributor, same as a Rogers.

Another batsmen could be Alex Doolan?

Just an idea.

 

[Wolfs]

The stocks are pretty low with the 3 blokes out. But just an idea, rather than trying to pick young blokes after a good Shield season, why not look back at some test players who have been good enough to get a baggy green, but only played 1 or 2 tests.

An example is Chris Rogers plays 1 test in 2008, doesn't play again until 2013. Probably thought he wouldn't wear the baggy green after his 1 test. Anyways he had years of shield and county cricket under his belt and when he came back, plays another 25 tests over a couple of years and finished with an average of 42.

The same could be said about Tim Paine. Had a couple of tests back in 2010, injuries set him back. Yes he was lucky to be recalled for the Ashes last summer, but has now played 10 more test and has been one of our best.

I look at someone like Callum Ferguson, 7000 FC runs, tons of shield and county games. Got a test call up couple years ago. Was unlucky to not be given a 2nd chance. But maybe now is his time. At 33 (same age as Paine) could have a real opportunity to bat in the middle order and use all his knowledge and experience to become a solid contributor, same as a Rogers.

Another batsmen could be Alex Doolan?

Just an idea.

If they score run in Shield, I reckon they can be back.

 

[Cleavy]

Warne now thinks we should pick Short. Give it another couple of days until he changes his mind again.

 

[thirds captain]

What is everyones obsession with Jake Lehmann? He averaged 28 last summer in the shield?

1) Renshaw
2) Finch
3) Khawaja
4) Head
5) Lambuschagne
6) M Marsh
7) Paine
8) Starc
9) Cummins
10) Lyon
11) Hazlewood
12th Man- Peter Handscomb

In The wings: Ashton Agar, Joe Burns, Marcus Stoinis, Alex Carey, Josh Phillippe, Jhye Richardson, Brendan Doggett, Jackson Bird

 

[big_e]

Assuming Khawaja is not fit.

Good West Australians and Rooboys - and I modelled my game in their dad when I was a kid - but their records just aren't good enough.

Burns, Renshaw and Ferguson all near the top scorers last year, and all beem in and around the national setup for a while. Think at this point, picking kids based on potential would be lambs to the slaughter.

1. Finch (v-c)
2. Burns
3. Renshaw
4. Head
5. Ferguson
6. Maxwell
7. Paine (capt)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Hazlewood
11. Lyon
12. Bird/Tremain

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Assuming fitness, bold are sure things, italics very shaky, everyone else open for replacement

Renshaw
Head
Khawaja - one match shouldn't change things so much, but Aus really are trash throughout the top seven
Finch
Burns - I know he plays as an opener these days, but he is far better suited down the order
Maxwell - please somebody step up, I don't trust him at all but would have been about my second bat picked for the UAE
Paine (c)
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

We really need some middle order batsmen to put on consistent scores, with occasional big ones, over the first half of the Shield. Big hauls for Handscomb and Burns would be very welcome.

 

[SunshineBoy]

We seem to be the only country in world cricket that doesn't prepare decks to suit out strengths......

Summer will be a tyre fire with our batting lineup exposed in match after match. Bet the execs at Channel 7 are sweating bullets, with ratings on everything except the Big Bash likely to be disastrous.

Don5 stress about that they will suggest some rule changes

 

[HODGEYROAD]

We seem to be the only country in world cricket that doesn't prepare decks to suit out strengths......

Summer will be a tyre fire with our batting lineup exposed in match after match. Bet the execs at Channel 7 are sweating bullets, with ratings on everything except the Big Bash likely to be disastrous.

Yeah Australia is a shocking place to watch Cricket, much prefer NZ, South Africa and England.

 

[frankrizzo]

It's rare we are in such a spot but if we were down 2-1 heading into the last test would ca even ask for a bit if help or just produce a typical deck?