Roast Francis Jackson

[RobsJourney]

So easy to recruit with hindsight isnt it?
Sloane was #44 clearly he upside wasn't very clear.
We traded pick #42 anyway, which ended up being a guy that played 19 career games.
But hey it sure is easy to look back 8 years and cherry pick the best players and say we missed them

The hindsight aside, it really is the sameness in results that is damning.

Again, the uncompetitive talls that don't make contests. The small midfielders. The lighter framed flankers that aren't really good enough in any position.

Our midfield is so lacking in natural footballers it's insane.

 

[living_in_syd]

Tired of his going against the grain im smarter than you picks.

Off the top of my head reached for so many players eg conca, ellis, etc

 

[rammbo]

I can do half an hour research on google and get a far better result than this dud .

 

[turtle27]

Yes.

That way when someone like RFC_Official is looking at social media and presents to the Club (I assume this happens, but it is Richmond so who knows) what's happening in regards to social media and Richmond. He/She can give a true presentation of the level of unrest amongst the Supporters.

Why didn't the OP just bump any one of the others?

 

[I Rock]

Why didn't the OP just bump any one of the others?

That's a question best asked to the OP.

 

[poppa pump]

any one worth his salt would leave no stone unturned in his search for young talent, and yes you should look at forums and gage other opinions from guys who watch junior footy,if this was done, you would surly say, why the hell has 100,s of others got heppel at 6, the answer , hes ******* obviously better.

 

[TiggerMan22]

TigerImposter might recall the meeting. But we trotted out a presentation about the incoming draft and they posted a lot of stuff about Parker and a lot of attendees kept pushing him on the subject. Most people left fairly confident we were taking Parker at 6, not only did we go with Conca but we even took Batchelor before him. Simply a case of being too smart for out own good, the obvious choice was the best one.

Which also seems to be a recurring theme, when a highly performed mid lasts to our pick we seem to always take the project flanker or ruck/fwd, it's just not working for us. We don't even have an elite flanker or ruck from all these picks which is fairly damning in itself.

As a man in love with stats you'd have to accept that our draftees since 2010 have returned the least amount of games in the league and we have delisted 47% of those drafted, the highest in the league. That's a statistical fact that he's the worst in the league by a fair margin.

Cmon now. If Parker was the "obvious choice" for pick #6, then how did he last to 40? Doesnt make much scene tbh.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Cmon now. If Parker was the "obvious choice" for pick #6, then how did he last to 40? Doesnt make much scene tbh.

It what was being implied. Parker and Darling falling were two of the bigger surprises from that draft, Conca and Batchelor were two of the other.

 

[TiggerMan22]

It what was being implied. Parker and Darling falling were two of the bigger surprises from that draft, Conca and Batchelor were two of the other.

Don't think you could put s**t on Richmond for that if every signle other club did the same for one reason or another.n

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Don't think you could put s**t on Richmond for that if every signle other club did the same for one reason or another.n

Yes, it's proven to be the wrong choice. Parker is an elite footballer while all of our picks will gone by the end of this off season, taking Conca at 6 was a * up but whatever, taking Batchelor before a player who we rated as a possibility for 6 was the bigger * up. He's paid to get these calls right and he can't, he's proven to be the worst in the business.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Blows my mind, it's not even hindsight.

There was nothing pre-draft to suggest that he shouldn't have gone top 10, absolutely nothing.

Agree. I've been told he was told about Parker as a dead set gun that was gettable at our pick

Whatever system they have in place down there it's complete dogshit. Granted development is just as bad. Is a ******* miracle we get any talent through at all.

 

[Gosha]

I think Vlastuin has been underwhelming when you consider how much talent he had at u18s and what pick we used on him. We could've found someone in the 30s to fill the role he's playing now. He's a solid player but will never fulfil his potential under Hardwick. I cannot fathom why he decided to turn a top ten inside midfielder who was known for his skills and physicality into a lockdown defender. He would almost be on Wines' level if he was properly developed.

I'm also sick of hearing about how he can't run out games. He's 22 years old and has been in the system for some time now. That excuse only works on first and second year players, not fourth year players. If a 22 year old can't run out a game then there is something seriously wrong with our fitness staff.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I think Vlastuin has been underwhelming when you consider how much talent he had at u18s and what pick we used on him. We could've found someone in the 30s to fill the role he's playing now. He's a solid player but will never fulfil his potential under Hardwick. I cannot fathom why he decided to turn a top ten inside midfielder who was known for his skills and physicality into a lockdown defender. He would almost be on Wines' level if he was properly developed.

I'm also sick of hearing about how he can't run out games. He's 22 years old and has been in the system for some time now. That excuse only works on first and second year players, not fourth year players. If a 22 year old can't run out a game then there is something seriously wrong with our fitness staff.

Again not developed and played out of position. You're spot on.

 

[mopsy]

I think its time we had a specific vent thread for Jackson.
In the last couple of days there has been rumors that Vickery, Lennon & Conca will be moved on.
3 1st round draft picks which all should be coming into their prime.
So with all the pressure on the board and coaches at the moment I think Jackson really needs to go.

He has been at the club since 2005.
In since then our 1st and 2nd round picks have been:

2005-Jarrod Oakley-Nicolls & Cleve Hughes
2006- Jack Reiwoldt & Shane Edwards
2007- Cotchin, Rance (no 2nd rounder)
2008- Tyrone, Jayden Post
2009- Martin, Griffiths
2010- Conca, Batchelour
2011-B.Ellis, Elton
2012- Vlaustin, Macintosh
2013- Lennon, no 2nd rounder
2014- C.Ellis, Menadue
2015- Rioli, no 2nd rounder.

2005,2008,2010,2013 are all complete distastes.

There is no way this man can be at the Tigers anymore.

Would argue strongly 2009 and 2011 are failures as well.09 because of the sheer number of nd picks that have failed and 2011 because i really dont rate B Ellis at all.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Yes, it's proven to be the wrong choice. Parker is an elite footballer while all of our picks will gone by the end of this off season, taking Conca at 6 was a **** up but whatever, taking Batchelor before a player who we rated as a possibility for 6 was the bigger **** up. He's paid to get these calls right and he can't, he's proven to be the worst in the business.

39 times Parker was passed over before he was taken.
Why didnt pick 38 take him? Hawks it looks like it was. Their drafting must be ever worse than ours

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Sack and put Bishop in his place immediately!

 

[TigerImposter]

TigerImposter might recall the meeting. But we trotted out a presentation about the incoming draft and they posted a lot of stuff about Parker and a lot of attendees kept pushing him on the subject. Most people left fairly confident we were taking Parker at 6, not only did we go with Conca but we even took Batchelor before him. Simply a case of being too smart for out own good, the obvious choice was the best one.

Which also seems to be a recurring theme, when a highly performed mid lasts to our pick we seem to always take the project flanker or ruck/fwd, it's just not working for us. We don't even have an elite flanker or ruck from all these picks which is fairly damning in itself.

As a man in love with stats you'd have to accept that our draftees since 2010 have returned the least amount of games in the league and we have delisted 47% of those drafted, the highest in the league. That's a statistical fact that he's the worst in the league by a fair margin.

Yep , but cannot find them anywhere ATM. We were all fuming about it at the time and the following season at Coburg with all the boys. The fact the club was bragging Heppell was training with us then we got Reece bc Dyson was a perky arrogant young kid and the last minute dream Casino had of him.
Batchelor was the biggest WTF happened to Parker ? Dumbfounded.

 

[Roachy8]

I reckon FJ mirrors the classic mug punter....
Always looking past the obvious favourite for a 'jewel in the rough' type that when/if he comes good will look like a master selection and provide a monster pay off.
Seen many such types around the tracks over the years - once every now and then they fluke a big return but 90% of the time they leave having dropped their $$$ on a hack that does nothing.

 

[TigerImposter]

I reckon FJ mirrors the classic mug punter....
Always looking past the obvious favourite for a 'jewel in the rough' type that when/if he comes good will look like a master selection and provide a monster pay off.
Seen many such types around the tracks over the years - once every now and then they fluke a big return but 90% of the time they leave having dropped their $$$ on a hack that does nothing.

The Ox Schwarz

 

[NZ_Tiger]

39 times Parker was passed over before he was taken.
Why didnt pick 38 take him? Hawks it looks like it was. Their drafting must be ever worse than ours

No as they just won 4 flags while we are circling the drain again. Don't talk nonsense.

Yes he was passed 38 times, but we were very keen on him and a lot of coteries were pushing for him as well at 6, fair call taking Conca if we thought he was better but Batchelor? WTF, he was on no ones radar for good reason, nearly met with the same laughter Blaine Boekhoerst was.

It seemed like spite on draft day that FJ didn't take him, almost like he wanted to make it clear to the clubs backers who was in control.

 

[Infamy]

He wasnt responsible for 2005. He started late in '05 so he didn't have any input.

His recruiting is not our problem. Those three players leaving isnt his fault. Its development (and to a minor extent injuries, see Conca)

Is there anyone you blokes don't want toroast and sack?

He was in charge in 2005, he was our only recruiter then and he was only part time while still working as a teacher which included coaching football on the weekends.
Didn't leave much time for him to do scouting

He's made some mistakes, but a lot of it has still been to do with funding resources for our recruiting network. No surprise that its been getting better lately as we spend more money on it. We're still not up the top on spending in this area though which we need to be as well as development.

 

[T4P]

He was in charge in 2005, he was our only recruiter then and he was only part time while still working as a teacher which included coaching football on the weekends.
Didn't leave much time for him to do scouting

He's made some mistakes, but a lot of it has still been to do with funding resources for our recruiting network. No surprise that its been getting better lately as we spend more money on it. We're still not up the top on spending in this area though which we need to be as well as development.

I maintain that he started in late 2005 and was not responsible for those picks. Our first pick with him in charge was Jack

 

[DustinsGuns]

2010 was a ******* disaster. Conca and Batch over Heppell and Parker was an absolute atrocity.

Conca over Heppel was travisty considering it was popular opinion that Heppel was the choice.

The Parker one is just unlucky. Can you even remember when Batchelor was first picked up and how good he looked in his first season or two.

And then we "developed" him into and undersized key position player who doesn't utilise his best two pre-draft strengths - his kicking and his run.

What the * is wrong with our development?

Luke Parker would probably be playing amateurs by now if he was picked up by us

 

[TiggerMan22]

No as they just won 4 flags while we are circling the drain again. Don't talk nonsense.

Thats the point, there best team in the league missed him with an even latter pick.
Obviously this isnt a Tiger issue.

 

[DustinsGuns]

Tired of his going against the grain im smarter than you picks.

Off the top of my head reached for so many players eg conca, ellis, etc

Unfair. Brandon Ellis looked like a super astute pick up until the start of last year. He was a pick 15 and looked like he would finish his career top 5 of his draft year. Then he just went to s**t. Who knows what happened with him?!