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during this 4 or 5 year deal does buddy qualify for vets list with us at some stage? if so cant you back load the contract so that a larger chunk is paid when he goes on vets list, thus reducing the amount that counts towards the salary cap in those years?
Hell be a vet after 2 years if re-signs. Unfortunately the change in the rule means only $112k per year won't count in the cap.

So if he signs a 5 yer deal with us for $5mil, $336k won't count in the cap.
 

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That's how I read it. I think we will be well rewarded if Buddy goes. A win win for all.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they completely screwed us but I am pretty sure it is "AFL determined" whatever that means and if they move heaven and earth to get him to GWS on a 2mil a year contract, I think they will compensate us handsomely (as they should)
 

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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they completely screwed us but I am pretty sure it is "AFL determined" whatever that means and if they move heaven and earth to get him to GWS on a 2mil a year contract, I think they will compensate us handsomely (as they should)
There's a set formula they use based on the contract value and length. There are 5 bands of compensation of which the highest, is 1 pick after the teams first round pick. That is the most you can get for a player. So assuming we make the GF the best well get is pick 18.
 

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There's a set formula they use based on the contract value and length. There are 5 bands of compensation of which the highest, is 1 pick after the teams first round pick. That is the most you can get for a player. So assuming we make the GF the best well get is pick 18.
We would get two successive picks if we win the flag which is not bad, but still no justice.
 

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Hell be a vet after 2 years if re-signs. Unfortunately the change in the rule means only $112k per year won't count in the cap.

So if he signs a 5 yer deal with us for $5mil, $336k won't count in the cap.
Still, we can throw an extra couple of hundred grand on the contract, and just back load so it takes effect once he is a vet.
 

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Everyone seems to be jumping out of the wood work now saying that they think he is going, Tim Watson on Sen this morning was of the opinion that he was gone, funny that I do remember him talking out of his ass earlier in the year about the go home factor meaning he was a 50/50 chance to leave, bit of his hate for Hawthorn coming out if you ask me.

I'm not convinced that this is going to be about money for Buddy, if he can get the best deal possible from Hawthorn, 5 years, 1.1 or whatever it is I believe he will stay.

I could be wrong but I'm hearing that Pickering is amazed at how disinterested Buddy is in any sort of contract talk at this point in time.
 

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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they completely screwed us but I am pretty sure it is "AFL determined" whatever that means and if they move heaven and earth to get him to GWS on a 2mil a year contract, I think they will compensate us handsomely (as they should)
So hypothetically if Buddy does go to GWS on this deal and bear in mind that we're going to be at the mercy of whatever the AFL decides, hence we have no bargaining power to elicit "overs" or really even what his truth worth in the trade market would be; What would you consider the likely compensation?

My thoughts are that based on the FA period from last year (which isn't a great sample size) clubs that lose restricted FAs are given greater compensation than similar (and even lesser) players who are unrestricted FAs. The compensation also appears not be affected by the clubs ladder position. The only other 2 factors that appear to be relevant are the age of the FA player and the size of the contract.
Goddard left for a 4 year deal at (from the speculation at the time) about $700K/year. St Kilda received a single first round pick that came directly after their original first round pick (before they traded it away) as compensation.

Assuming that is truly the maximum compensation under Free Agency then we'd definitely get that. However given Buddy would be on a contract that is essentially twice as big as Goddard's in terms of $$$/year and also slightly longer in length then it would be "fair" for us to receive about twice the compensation that St Kilda did for Goddard. So, 2x first round picks after our original 1st round pick. Given Buddy is younger than Goddard, plays a harder to fill position, has a more decorated career to date (including 2x Coleman medals, a premiership, 4x AA and club B&F in premiership year) AND given the AFL has effectively intervened by giving GWS so many salary cap concessions then I think there should be additional compensation on top of that. So seeing how GWS would become a far improved team with Buddy I don't think they'd mind if they were bumped down to 2nd in the draft to accomodate one of our 2x first round compo picks being upgraded from 'after our 1st pick' to pick #1. Essentially leaving us with (assuming we finish 1st and Melbourne don't get a priority pick) pick #1 and the last pick of round 1 as compensation for Buddy.

ie. Assuming no priority picks or other clubs 1st round compo...
Worst case: 1st round pick after our first pick (about pick #19)
Realistic best case: 2x 1st round picks after our first pick (about pick #19 and #20)
Hopeful best case: pick #1, 1st round pick after our first pick (about pick #20)
True Value: about pick #1, #2 and #3
 

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When watching the replay of last weeks game, (Dont know why), when Buddy was struggling in the first half, one of the commentators (David King I think) said something along the lines, Hawthorn are going to have to accept that the way Buddy has been preparing for games lately. WTF?
 
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So hypothetically if Buddy does go to GWS on this deal and bear in mind that we're going to be at the mercy of whatever the AFL decides, hence we have no bargaining power to elicit "overs" or really even what his truth worth in the trade market would be; What would you consider the likely compensation?
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When watching the replay of last weeks game, (Dont know why), when Buddy was struggling in the first half, one of the commentators (David King I think) said something along the lines, Hawthorn are going to have to accept that the way Buddy has been preparing for games lately. WTF?
You obviously heard different from me then because what I heard was that his 'input' on the track cannot be questioned and I'm not even sure that comment was from King
 

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Tim Watson on Sen this morning was of the opinion that he was gone

That is the problem. There is too much opinion and and I suspect the only people that truly have an idea of what is going on would be:
Buddy
Pickers
Graham Wright/ Clarko / A Newbold
SoS / Gubby Allen / Sheeds (assuming GWS are genuinely chasing him)

If you aren't seriously connected with anyone on that list, I suspect you are just guessing or making it up.
 

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You obviously heard different from me then because what I heard was that his 'input' on the track cannot be questioned and I'm not even sure that comment was from King

I tend to agree with this.
Everybody (even JD :eek: ) has been complimenting him on his work ethic.
His touch was a bit off but I didn't hear anyone questioning his commitment or his preparation.
 
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You obviously heard different from me then because what I heard was that his 'input' on the track cannot be questioned and I'm not even sure that comment was from King
Could be wrong mate, that's why I thought I'd put it out there to see if anyone could clarify. Cheers.:thumbsu:
 
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Paying overs is almost as bad as losing him. and 5-6 years ? you could end up paying out for nothing at all !!

Thats OK for GWS who'd be looked after by the AFL but would be catastrophic for us.


Anyway better to lose him to a nothing club than a rival threat. The Des Headland scenario
Just looking forward to how the umps treat GWS buddy compared to Hawthorn Buddy :rolleyes:
 

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Paying overs is almost as bad as losing him. and 5-6 years ? you could end up paying out for nothing at all !!

Thats OK for GWS who'd be looked after by the AFL but would be catastrophic for us.


Anyway better to lose him to a nothing club than a rival threat. The Des Headland scenario
Just looking forward to how the umps treat GWS buddy compared to Hawthorn Buddy :rolleyes:

Its only going to be the expansion clubs that can afford him because of their inflated salary caps.
 
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I gotta ask....

Why would GWS want Buddy? They already have two gun key forwards.
Is it because they don't have a marquee player any more?
personally I think sheedy is blowing smoke rings. if they were serious hed be saying nuthin
 

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I gotta ask....

Why would GWS want Buddy? They already have two gun key forwards.
Is it because they don't have a marquee player any more?
Think about all the clubs in the league. Each has at least one player who stands out from a marketing and brand recognition standpoint. We're lucky to have 2 of the best in Franklin and Rioli. GWS don't really have anyone at all atm.

What I'd be interested to know is that if they did land Buddy would they then be looking to off load Cameron or Patton?
 
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Sheedy's just riding on the big Bud's publicity coat tails, that is what his job with GWS is now publicity, Cameron's calling the shots. And money needs? Gibbo and Buddy's side line business Nena @ Pasedena pulled in $10 mil last year, i don't think either will go short for a quid when they're finished playing.
My poorly considered opinion is if Buddy is leaving he'll be switching codes.
 
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