Free Kick stats to Round 3

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

These are official AFL stats:

Round 1 - Hawthorn 22, Collingwood 32
Round 2 - Carlton 34, Hawthorn 19
Round 3 - Fremantle 29, Hawthorn 13

Supporters of any other teams seeking to whinge about umpires, clear it through us first, won't you? Thanks.

 

[Carey_is_King]

DCFC,
Somebody has to provide the offset to Essendon's tally.

(Says he, applying camouflage & lying low, seeking to avoid the Dan25 missile of statistics!)

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Hurdle the Dead.

 

[WCE2000]

the only time i saw the Hawthorn play was in round 1 and i only saw parts of that much. But from those stats, it does seem a little unfair.

I can't exactly picture Hawthorn as a dirty side.

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[WCE2000]

Essendon 20 v Kangaroos 23
Essendon 22 v Port Adelaide 19
Essendon 11 v Carlton 26

pretty even except for the Carlton game.

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

Originally posted by Carey_is_King:
DCFC,
Somebody has to provide the offset to Essendon's tally.

(Says he, applying camouflage & lying low, seeking to avoid the Dan25 missile of statistics!)

 

[vanders]

must admit those stats look a bit shonky, which proves that if your playing good enough you can still win without the help of the umpires!

 

[AlfAndrews]

What simplistic drivel. Free kicks stats prove one thing only. They show how many times the umpires have perceived a team to transgress the rules.

If team A is a pack of thugs and goes on a head-hunting rampage in a 5 minute period, and has 5 free kicks awarded against them, the free kick tally will be:

TEAM A .... 0
TEAM B .... 5

Does that mean that the umpires are biased in favour of Team B?

I think not.

It just means that Team A is a pack of thugs.

You can't just look at the basic free kick tally and form any conclusions. You've got to ask yourself how many of the free kicks were questionable? How many of the free kicks resulted in goals? Where were the free kicks paid? How many of the free kicks were awarded when the game was no longer in the balance?

These are complex issues. You can't just come along and say, "My team always gets less free kicks than the opposition. Boo hoo hoo."

Maybe it says something about your team and its approach to the game.

Not that I'm suggesting Hawthorn is a filthy rotten scumbag dirty side or anything ...



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**floreat pica**

 

[jod23]

Believe it or not Danny Chook but th eumpires dont hate your club its just that your club is stupid and they give away too many free kicks. The umpires are merely there to award them. Its Hawthorns fault not the umpires.

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Use the force Luke ....

 

[dunstall19]

yeah jodi said it. the umpires are always right, and never wrong. Can you let me know the last time any umpire did not pay a free for an entire match?

Umpires must be instructed to pay a certain number of frees or else they would have been sacked already. You constantly see umpires trying to make themselves seen on tv and as sam newman says "be bigger than the game".

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

New "smiley face" icon required - one with a tongue in its cheek, so the less perceptive reader can tell when another is having a lend or when they're serious.

 

[WCE2000]

Alf Andrews:

Ask yourself this question - are Hawthorn a pack of thugs? i think not.

 

[RogerC]

I agree with jod23 - well, with what he said, not the way he put it. When we get murdered by the umpires once, it looks like bias, when it happens twice, you start to wonder. But when it happens a third time, it's a trend. We're doing something wrong. We're either giving away frees indisciminately, not conning the umpires well enough, or simply not on top of the tiggy touchwood frees that are being handed out. Some clubs know how to work them well, and can pick up easy frees. Carlton seem to be one of them.

Hawthorn have definitely come out more aggressively this year, and that might partially explain the discrepency. We've also got up the noses of both Collingwood and Fremantle players. There was some nasty stuff in both those matches.

But there's our choice. We can continue to play the way we have for the last few years, make no enemies and stay mid table. Or we can look to make our presence felt on field, cop the frees and, as we have done, win a few games. Essendon are an aggressive side who don't mind niggling the opposition, and they've done all right. Footscray are known to indulge in the odd spot of thuggery, and have spent the last few years firmly in the finals, when they don't really have the list to justify it.

I'm prepared to wear the free kick count, as long as we don't get our boys suspended, and as long as we keep winning. the only time it seemed really disproportionate to me was last week against Carlton, and that was our best win. So maybe it works for us.

A pack of thugs, though?..... I don't think so

 

[ptw]

I agree with Alf...free kick tallies mean zero.

If Port Kick it out on the full it is recorded as a free kick to the opposition !!!

Often one side will have more desperation than the other, perhaos go in a bit harder...win the game but give away a few frees.

It would be far more concerning if the umpires focussed on the free kick tallies and tried to make sure they were fairly even at the end. If the free kick is there pay it. If that means 20-0 then so be it.

The only way you can complain is if you seriously think that the umpires are biased. This is absolute nonsense. Why would the umpires give a toss about Hawthorn and not Freo ??? Especially since there are different umpires each week, so apprantly all umpires are against Hawthorn. What dribble.

ptw

 

[dunstall19]

It makes me spew to see the free kick count badly against my club!!! it looks fully like the umpires have effectively given the other team an extra player!! which is bullshit!!

I know for 1 that a lot of these frees must be from our forwards and half forwards in an attempt to slow the opposition down, as a professional free kick I think its called!
If it is the case I would say its the smartest tactic Ive known of and keep it coming. Then the players have extra time to man up and run back to help out the backline.

It the frees were in our backline there would be calls of murder for the umpires!! but if its play on advantage anyway, you may as well make the player feel it or sling him for the fun of it, as half the time the umpires wont call play on so it stops the run of play and lets the hawks run back!!!

DO NOT CHANGE A THING!! WORKING MAGICALLY

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[AlfAndrews]

Is it my imagination, or was that last post from Dungheap,19 a complete contradiction?

Did he not say, in effect, "It's not fair that we get so many frees against us" and then, a bit later, "We give away a lot of professional frees ... aren't we clever!"

Hey Dungheap. Have you ever thought of leaving your mind to science?

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[jod23]

LOL Alf

Roger C - good post, just keep doing what your doing. You have given away a lot of frees but your winning so who cares right?

 

[Worm4]

I'd like to know where in the rule book it states that free kick's have to be as even as possible ?????

 

[Pessimistic]

I went to the Carlton Hawthorn game.
I did spend the first 10 minute queueing to get in but whenever the whistle blew I thought "ah another carlton free kick" Not too perturbed cos the hawks were doing it easy.

 

[Visro]

To anyone who saw the WC vs Saints game, I am still baffled by the 50m penalty dished out by Peter Matera. He spoiled the ball legally I thought and the umpire gave away the free kick. Then asks why he was penalised and gets 50 metres for it. I don't have a replay of it so someone that knows more about, can you please tell me what he did!

Vis

PS Anyone see his run down from defence to pass to Matera...wish he played like that every week

 

[mongrelpunt]

Just Figured out the Top 3 Players who has got the most free kicks.

1. Trent Croad
2. Shaun Rehn
3. Shane Crawford

Does this seem Right????

 

[dees01]

Hawks win their first three games and their supporters are still complaining about the umps! Give it a rest.

 

[Pessimistic]

According to the AFL site our boys give away more frees than anyone - can this be bias ?

Frees Against
1. Trent Croad (Haw) 10
2. Shaun Rehn (Haw) 10
3. Shane Crawford (Haw) 9
4. Corey McKernan (Kang) 9
5. Matthew Primus (Port) 9
6. Josh Francou (Port) 8
7. Jason Johnson (Ess) 8
8. Steven King (Geel) 8
9. Matthew Knights (Rich) 8
10.Justin Longmuir (Fre) 8
11.Matthew Clarke (Adel) 7
12.Jonathan Hay (Haw) 7
13.Matthew Lappin (Carl) 7
14.Jarrod Molloy (Coll) 7
15.Jason Akermanis (Bris) 6

 

[dunstall19]

Originally posted by AlfAndrews:
Is it my imagination, or was that last post from Dungheap,19 a complete contradiction?

Did he not say, in effect, "It's not fair that we get so many frees against us" and then, a bit later, "We give away a lot of professional frees ... aren't we clever!"

Hey Dungheap. Have you ever thought of leaving your mind to science?

BIG MAN ALF- HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF LEAVING YOUR PINDICK FOR YOUR MUM SEWING KIT!!!!!!!!

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

I'm a firm believer that you can post what you like on forums such as these, but I'd like to make a request. If dunstall,19 wants to post such inane drivel and mindless insults, I implore him to post them under another name, so that one of the greats of Australian football isn't tarnished by the crap that is being written under the guise of his name and number.

No personal insult intended - just a request for a bit of respect for Jason Dunstall.

 

[dunstall19]

Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club:
I'm a firm believer that you can post what you like on forums such as these, but I'd like to make a request. If dunstall,19 wants to post such inane drivel and mindless insults, I implore him to post them under another name, so that one of the greats of Australian football isn't tarnished by the crap that is being written under the guise of his name and number.

No personal insult intended - just a request for a bit of respect for Jason Dunstall.

I THINK YOUR A BIT TOO SERIOUS CHOOK. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH TELLING BIG ALF HES A PIN DICK! HE WOULD COP WORSE THAN THAT IF HE WAS ON THE FIELD!!!!

THAT IS ONE OF THE NICEST THINGS I COULD SAY ABOUT THE ILLEGAL GOAT BLOWING REFUGEE!!!!!