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The evidence is there for all to see. I've petitioned the researchers to zoom out because somewhere between 1994 and 2017 you flew off the scale Chief.You're throwing a blanket over a huge number of people and judging what "lefties" think.
There's a big, noisy group of American conservatives trying to do some awful things in their country and abroad. This much is true.
Democrats will take any illegal they can get. Here's a walmart gift card and some sneakers too. Welcome to the land of the free Chief.Wow! I'm a registered Democrat voter in America!
USA! USA!
Did you stop to think that US political values in 1994 were quite right-leaning across the board? And that while their Democratic voters have adopted more liberal values, their Republican voters today are stuck in the last century?The evidence is there for all to see. I've petitioned the researchers to zoom out because somewhere between 1994 and 2017 you flew off the scale Chief.
If you want to take it to there, sure. The point was one side has created the gulf between parties and moved the median. Classical liberals/conservatives that were once considered centre left/centre are now deemed far right because of that swing. It's a different argument altogether if you feel that the left has better values etc.Did you stop to think that US political values in 1994 were quite right-leaning across the board? And that while their Democratic voters have adopted more liberal values, their Republican voters today are stuck in the last century?
That’s why they’re called “progressive”.If you want to take it to there, sure. The point was one side has created the gulf between parties and moved the median. Classical liberals/conservatives that were once considered centre left/centre are now deemed far right because of that swing. It's a different argument altogether if you feel that the left has better values etc.
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No it's not.That’s why they’re called “progressive”.
If you want to take it to there, sure. The point was one side has created the gulf between parties and moved the median. Classical liberals/conservatives that were once considered centre left/centre are now deemed far right because of that swing. It's a different argument altogether if you feel that the left has better values etc.
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No it's not no take backsies I know you are what am IIs too!
You're not looking at the tails. They are notably different over timeLots of conservative democrats still were winning house races in the south. That's all this chart shows.
Lots of conservative Dems left the party in sub Pres elections from the 80s onwards. In the absence of any real methodology of how he produced that chart, Im comfortable with this conclusion.You're not looking at the tails. They are notably different over time
In the end you’re trying to say it’s some sort of conspiracy that “lefties” or, in your stats, Americans Democratic Party voters, have been purposefully creating a division in American society.If you want to take it to there, sure. The point was one side has created the gulf between parties and moved the median. Classical liberals/conservatives that were once considered centre left/centre are now deemed far right because of that swing. It's a different argument altogether if you feel that the left has better values etc.
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How does removing those conservative democrats from the party (and chart) in the 80s explain the consistent and gradual change to the position and size of the tails until now? Even if you just flipped them to Republican it doesn't make a difference.Lots of conservative Dems left the party in sub Pres elections from the 80s onwards. In the absence of any real methodology of how he produced that chart, Im comfortable with this conclusion.
Not all changes are progress. Thats the problem with this attitude, and the reason for the existence of conservative values. It's also why the conservative movement won't get left behind, but will continue to adapt to represent older values as time moves forward.In the end you’re trying to say it’s some sort of conspiracy that “lefties” or, in your stats, Americans Democratic Party voters, have been purposefully creating a division in American society.
What I see is a big chunk of them moving with the times. Being flexible. And a big chunk of American Republicans steadfastly refusing to do so, and being left behind as a result.
That is the future of conservatism.
The American conservatives represent 1930s values when the average older American voter is a child of the 60s.Not all changes are progress. Thats the problem with this attitude, and the reason for the existence of conservative values. It's also why the conservative movement won't get left behind, but will continue to adapt to represent older values as time moves forward.
Oh yeah sure mate there's just Jim Crow loving f**-haters by the millions waiting for a chance to get lynching again as soon as a Republican is in offi- oh wait...The American conservatives represent 1930s values when the average older American voter is a child of the 60s.
Yeah you do always have to ask “progress towards what?”Not all changes are progress. Thats the problem with this attitude, and the reason for the existence of conservative values. It's also why the conservative movement won't get left behind, but will continue to adapt to represent older values as time moves forward.
No me neither. Have seen it tweeted by people who are pretty reliable at checking the authenticity of what they retweet. But haven't looked into it myself. It passes the sniff test for being 100% bullshit for mine but of course it's only a graph. The real info is in the methodology and analysis which requires nuance.Yeah you do always have to ask “progress towards what?”
I haven’t seen the magical 10 values they’ve measured in the study.
Did you stop to think that US political values in 1994 were quite right-leaning across the board? And that while their Democratic voters have adopted more liberal values, their Republican voters today are stuck in the last century?
https://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/1-partisan-divides-over-political-values-widen/No me neither. Have seen it tweeted by people who are pretty reliable at checking the authenticity of what they retweet. But haven't looked into it myself. It passes the sniff test for being 100% ******** for mine but of course it's only a graph. The real info is in the methodology and analysis which requires nuance.
I've got no time for the demonisation and catastrophising of the "other team" that happens so much these days.