quotemokc
Brownlow Medallist
Freedom of speech seems to be an excuse for the right wingers to claim being muzzled because they spit bigoted bile.
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Freedom of speech seems to be an excuse for the right wingers to claim being muzzled because they spit bigoted bile.
Sure, if you want to take a partisan, unthinking, low-resolution and ideologically-motivated position on free speech in order to avoid thinking about anything in a nuanced fashion because it might challenge your presuppositions, I can see how you'd conclude that.Freedom of speech seems to be an excuse for the right wingers to claim being muzzled because they spit bigoted bile.
I do for the moment because I am operating off 4 hours sleep post working late, but I’d also state it’s abused by extreme leftist types as well.Sure, if you want to take a partisan, unthinking, low-resolution and ideologically-motivated position on free speech in order to avoid thinking about anything in a nuanced fashion because it might challenge your presuppositions, I can see how you'd conclude that.
I think so, but you’d have to be a complete moron to deny it.Isn't Holocaust denial a crime?
Freedom of speech is a great thing. It allows us all to be able to freely express opinion without being shunned or persecuted by the government, free speech has seen some seriously positive movements created, subject matters aired and shaken of stigma.This is debatable and I'm sure as time passed we'll see how those laws are interpreted when an incident occurs.
However, this is a thread about free speech not Peterson's specific example so I won't go further with that. There's a thread on him it's more appropriate for.
I think so, but you’d have to be a complete moron to deny it.
I didn’t exclude the left. Scroll through the thread to find the part where I posted the extreme left is just as bad. I am not offering insults and shutdowns, I am saying that both forms of extremity are bad.Refuting the numbers is even a crime. Despite the fact that the numbers have changed over the years as better research has taken place.
BTW your posts above... if you didnt want to be partisan why only mention right wingers? Leftists these days are all about stifling debate and wanting to lock up those with differing views.
But then, when the argumemt is weak maybe you need to go to insults and shutdowns.
In fact it’s the post above where you quoted meRefuting the numbers is even a crime. Despite the fact that the numbers have changed over the years as better research has taken place.
BTW your posts above... if you didnt want to be partisan why only mention right wingers? Leftists these days are all about stifling debate and wanting to lock up those with differing views.
But then, when the argumemt is weak maybe you need to go to insults and shutdowns.
In fact it’s the post above where you quoted me
Has the "refuting the numbers" been tested in court? What do they base "the numbers" on? Or is it just refuting the numbers with no basis other than you're a neo-Nazi douche?Refuting the numbers is even a crime. Despite the fact that the numbers have changed over the years as better research has taken place.
Righto mate. I started off with the right comment then pretty swiftly backed it up. I don’t i was ‘called out’. But yeah whatever helps you out.Right, but that post only appeared after you were called out.
Both sides want to stifle debate. Both sides make weak arguments in their defence.
There is simply no point to a freedom of speech unless you allow for people being upset.
Has the "refuting the numbers" been tested in court? What do they base "the numbers" on? Or is it just refuting the numbers with no basis other than you're a neo-Nazi douche?
I don’t know where you’re going with this?Over the last 60 years or more the numbers have changed a number of times as more information was unearthed.
Somewhere along the way the German govt decided question the number was the same as denying the event.
Which seems extreme when you consider they kept the same music in their national anthem so its very easy to sing the old words.
I don’t know where you’re going with this?
Do you believe it happened or not? Straight to the point.
What's this about Clive Palmer getting laid off workers to sign NDAs as part of their pay out?
But would they go to jail for that if they have data to back up their claim?
Yeah I'm starting to think he's not to be emulated.The more I read about this Hitler guy, the more I don't like him
As more time passes between then and now it might ease off.The 6 million is based on best guesses. As much as the Nazis loved notes, sometimes they slaughtered tens of thousands in giant ditches.
But I think the bigger point is being missed. Saying things that may upset being illegal is insane.
Has the "refuting the numbers" been tested in court? What do they base "the numbers" on? Or is it just refuting the numbers with no basis other than you're a neo-Nazi douche?
The 6 million is based on best guesses. As much as the Nazis loved notes, sometimes they slaughtered tens of thousands in giant ditches.
The suit accused The Post's coverage of being libelous, and called for the newspaper to pay $250 million in damages for "a series of false and defamatory print and online articles" about Sandmann. However, the judge said articles on Sandmann must be "more than annoying, offensive or embarrassing" to be considered defamation.
"Few principles of law are as well-established as the rule that statements of opinion are not actionable in libel actions," Bertelsman wrote in court documents. Bertelsman ruled that The Post had the right to report on the story from Philips' perspective, and many of the statements Sandmann claimed were defamatory focused not on him, but on the group of students as a whole.
"And while unfortunate, it is further irrelevant that Sandmann was scorned on social media," Bertelsman wrote.