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[Cousin of Daicos]

Collingwood get from not traveling to Perth as often as they should

This made me lol a bit.

As often as we should? So instead of playing once there, we SHOULD be playing twice?

Whoa, hold back on all those trips to Perth man. You're talking about ONE game. Here, the most you can travel to Perth as a Victorian/Non WA side is twice. Collingwood, like MANY other sides, go once.

Calm down.

This "Collingwood no travel" thing is ridiculous.

The most a Victorian side can travel is 6 times (unless they sell homes games). Collingwood ALWAYS travels 4. So you guys are all crying over 2 games of football.

Good to know everyone has nothing better to pick on our club, other than 2 extra interstate games they want us to play.

once again to reiterate. lol.

 

[Bay Pie]

This is Collingwood's record following home and away games following a Perth home and away game.

In the last 14 years you have played 13.

You have won 3 and lost 10.
Your average losing margin in more than 4 goals.
Closest loss was 20 points v Carlton in R3 2002
You have played Richmond three times following a Perth trip and have lost all of them and by an average margin of 28 points.

This situation is typical for most teams coming to Perth.

So you're saying all NOn-WA clubs are in the same boat. Agree

 

[Quicky]

Yes, and the way the AFL makes the most money is by favoring Collingwood.

Some loaded language there.

The fact we are drawcard side does not always favour us.

One spin off is that we quite often get drawn to play the leagues harder sides - the ones at the top of the ladder - twice in a season as they are guaranteed near sell outs.

We played all of Geelong and StKilda twice this year for that very reason.

It's a situation that works both ways.

 

[jmadrox]

Some loaded language there.

The fact we are drawcard side does not always favour us.

One spin off is that we quite often get drawn to play the leagues harder sides - the ones at the top of the ladder - twice in a season as they are guaranteed near sell outs.

We played all of Geelong and StKilda twice this year for that very reason.

It's a situation that works both ways.

i agree. It would work both ways. I dont know if there is favoritism, that may be a bit steep, but due to your huge supporter base and the revenue you bring to the AFL, you have a much greater influence over the fixtures than say, Western Bulldogs or Hawks.

Much of the fixture is unfair, but it has been done so to grow the sport and make $$. Really, when Mr AFL himself commented that a home and away game could be played in Hong Kong, i was nearly sick. Coz thats just what we need, a longer flight.

I think the main advantage is that as discussed, all Melbourne teams come to WA @ most 2 times a year, and as the stats show, the travel has an impact on the following week. both WCE and Freo do that week in week out. When we do actually get a few weeks @ home ( AKA when we are scheduled to play in Tas) our guys get a better break.

There was a while back where every WCE/FFC derby was won by the away team ( over 2 yrs or so) . This in part had alot to do with the fact that the away team played @ home the week b4 and didnt have to travel. Then the away team had a 3rd game in a row with no travel, against an interstate team, and again.

 

[jerry springer]

I really get the shits with these interstate supporters whinging about traveling

When you join the army they tell you "You chose to join us,so you follow our rules, we didn't join you"....

So basically in a nutshell,you knew the criteria when you joined the AFL,either relocate somewhere closer or STFU

 

[greatgatsby]

I really get the shits with these interstate supporters whinging about traveling

When you join the army they tell you "You chose to join us,so you follow our rules, we didn't join you"....

So basically in a nutshell,you knew the criteria when you joined the AFL,either relocate somewhere closer or STFU

I think it's been established that Collingwood have no cause to complain on this score!

 

[Bay Pie]

I think it's been established that Collingwood have no cause to complain on this score!

I think you'll find it isn't Collingwood who continually whinge about the fixture.

The facts are there are 17 teams in the AFL, soon to be 18. There are 2 WA teams.

It's fair to say while ever Freo wish to play in the AFL, you'll travel almost every 2nd week.

WCE have won 3 flags, the equal most of any team since the AFL inception. Equal with Brisbane. Both travelled plenty.

In fact, non-Vic teams have won 10 GFs' in the 21 years of AFL footy and have been runners-up on 4 occasions. The travel didn't affect these teams.

The Pies played a similar number of games in Melbourne through the mid to late 90s' and in 2004 & 2005 and did poorly finishing at or near the bottom of the ladder. No complaining then was there.

Basically if you're the best team, you'll win the comp no matter where you are based and where you play. If you a solid team, you'll finish mid table. If you're poo, you'll finish near the bottom.

I've yet to see a good team miss the finals because of their travel itinerary.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Some loaded language there.

The fact we are drawcard side does not always favour us.

One spin off is that we quite often get drawn to play the leagues harder sides - the ones at the top of the ladder - twice in a season as they are guaranteed near sell outs.

We played all of Geelong and StKilda twice this year for that very reason.

It's a situation that works both ways.

It's funny how we were so obviously favoured in 2000/2001 when we were developing and having the suitcases pounded out of us by Essendon and Carlton four times a year.

 

[Quicky]

i agree. It would work both ways. I dont know if there is favoritism, that may be a bit steep, but due to your huge supporter base and the revenue you bring to the AFL, you have a much greater influence over the fixtures than say, Western Bulldogs or Hawks.

Much of the fixture is unfair, but it has been done so to grow the sport and make $$. Really, when Mr AFL himself commented that a home and away game could be played in Hong Kong, i was nearly sick. Coz thats just what we need, a longer flight.

I think the main advantage is that as discussed, all Melbourne teams come to WA @ most 2 times a year, and as the stats show, the travel has an impact on the following week. both WCE and Freo do that week in week out. When we do actually get a few weeks @ home ( AKA when we are scheduled to play in Tas) our guys get a better break.

There was a while back where every WCE/FFC derby was won by the away team ( over 2 yrs or so) . This in part had alot to do with the fact that the away team played @ home the week b4 and didnt have to travel. Then the away team had a 3rd game in a row with no travel, against an interstate team, and again.

As I understand it each team supplies the AFL with a wishlist for their fixture. The AFL grants X-amount for each team. The rest is up to the AFL's discretion. I don't think bargaining power comes into it much at all.

As a WA team it's just the reality that you will have to travel more often. It's nobodies fault, just the way it is. If I were a WA side i'd be looking at putting as much money into the football dept (fitness/conditioning/medical staff) to negate the issue. Both WA sides are wealthy enough. We did it this year with our footy dept and it paid the ultimate dividend.

 

[jmadrox]

As I understand it each team supplies the AFL with a wishlist for their fixture. The AFL grants X-amount for each team. The rest is up to the AFL's discretion. I don't think bargaining power comes into it much at all.

As a WA team it's just the reality that you will have to travel more often. It's nobodies fault, just the way it is. If I were a WA side i'd be looking at putting as much money into the football dept (fitness/conditioning/medical staff) to negate the issue. Both WA sides are wealthy enough. We did it this year with our footy dept and it paid the ultimate dividend.

fair enough. but would you agree, the team more able to draw a bigger crowd would get their choice when there are two conflicting requests?

WRT the WA teams, yeah i didnt mean that it i had an idea for it to be any different. Just that there IS a disadvantage for teams over here, and we just gotta deal with it. Some people still fail to see that it is something that makes our season harder, and just whinge every time they " have to make the trip west". Not saying your one, just there are those who dont get it.

 

[Ed D]

Just to add to this Melbourne played the same amount of H&A games at the MCG as Collingwood, I think the Saints played about as much at the Docklands, Richmond played a lot of games at the MCG as well.

I think people are just bringing this up because Collingwood won the premiership and they want to make up an excuse for it. This didn't seem to be an issue in 2009 or earlier when the same thing was happening.

 

[Bay Pie]

Yes, and the way the AFL makes the most money is by favoring Collingwood.

Clubs like WCE and Fremantle don't need the extra money. I'm seeing this from a Fremantle perspective.

Another advantage Collingwood get from not traveling to Perth as often as they should, is in games following the Perth trip.

When teams travel to Perth they have had rehab for 5/6 days.
When teams leave Perth they are on the plane with their injuries and they are behind with their rehab.

This is Collingwood's record following home and away games following a Perth home and away game.

In the last 14 years you have played 13.

You have won 3 and lost 10.
Your average losing margin in more than 4 goals.
Closest loss was 20 points v Carlton in R3 2002
You have played Richmond three times following a Perth trip and have lost all of them and by an average margin of 28 points.

This situation is typical for most teams coming to Perth.

Round 22 2008 played Freo @ Subi.
Elimination final following week v Crows @ AAMI. Pies won

2007 Semi final beat WCE in extra time. Off a 6 day break we run the eventual premiers to 5 points, either side of 100 points shellackings for the other 2 Geelong opponents.

I guess the travel myth, goes out the window come finals time.

 

[jdisc]

now do you see why we hate them?

 

[E Shed]

now do you see why we hate them?

Why would they hate us? They can beat us unlike your lot.

 

[Captain Fantasy]

You're wrong to dismiss Freo, I predict a Collingwood v Freo Grand Final in 2011!

 

[CamTinley]

Round 22 2008 played Freo @ Subi.
Elimination final following week v Crows @ AAMI. Pies won

2007 Semi final beat WCE in extra time. Off a 6 day break we run the eventual premiers to 5 points, either side of 100 points shellackings for the other 2 Geelong opponents.

I guess the travel myth, goes out the window come finals time.

Yes, finals are different. That's why I highlighted the Home and Away part of it.

It's not a travel myth it's a travel fact. The Western Australian teams just have to put up with it, because we live where we live. While some eastern states teams have to put up with it more than others depending how the fixture makers decide to arrange things.

Travel to Perth is what counts, travel to Sydney and Tasmania (for Melbourne teams) is a joke and Adelaide is not much better. You're just finishing your meal and it's time to put your seat-belt back on.

 

[Bay Pie]

Yes, finals are different. That's why I highlighted the Home and Away part of it.

It's not a travel myth it's a travel fact. The Western Australian teams just have to put up with it, because we live where we live. While some eastern states teams have to put up with it more than others depending how the fixture makers decide to arrange things.

Travel to Perth is what counts, travel to Sydney and Tasmania (for Melbourne teams) is a joke and Adelaide is not much better. You're just finishing your meal and it's time to put your seat-belt back on.

News flash. If you can't win a final outside of WA, you'll never win a flag.

WCE & the Lions have both done it 3 times. Stop making excuses. You aren't good enough, that is all.

 

[masai]

Just to throw my 2 cents in here about travelling.

Get back to basics and just have the simple revolving fixtures. Play all teams once, then play them again with reverse home grounds. Keep this revolving over 3 seasons and the home and away game ratios for the teams will be balanced.

I don't care if Freo don't play twice a season, does Collingwood need to play Essendon or Carlton twice in a season ?.

As for Freo, they are improving, a darn long way to go yet. Nothing to crow about, but Freo supporters are feeling alot happier these days.

 

[soreplums]

Yes, finals are different. That's why I highlighted the Home and Away part of it.

It's not a travel myth it's a travel fact. The Western Australian teams just have to put up with it, because we live where we live. While some eastern states teams have to put up with it more than others depending how the fixture makers decide to arrange things.

Travel to Perth is what counts, travel to Sydney and Tasmania (for Melbourne teams) is a joke and Adelaide is not much better. You're just finishing your meal and it's time to put your seat-belt back on.

Quit your whinging. Winning Premierships don't come down to travel. West Coast have won 3 in about 20 years. What's Freo's best?

 

[vjknight]

freo do have a bright future though.i said in a another thread that they really should aim for Top 2 next year(easier said than done i do realize).That way they can get 2 games at home in the finals with the week off and maybe then a crack at the GF.

failing that if they make the top 4 they must win their first game to get the home final(and week off)

I cant see them winning a big prelim in Melbourne at the G - yet.

I think 2012 could be their year though

THIS.

You're wrong to dismiss Freo, I predict a Collingwood v Freo Grand Final in 2011!

THIS.

for the purpose of a bet, i believe it rates a great bet to take - if you believe, as most of us seemingly do, that the pies are certainties to get as far as the GF, combined with freo's chances of getting to the GF if they can finish 1 or 2, making use of their home ground in the finals.

sure 3 or 4 other teams are considered good enough to also make the GF at this early stage, but considering freo's chances IF they finish 1 or 2, it seems the quinella most likely, or at least worthy of a bet.

 

[jdisc]

Why would they hate us? They can beat us unlike your lot.

they hate you because you got into the top 8 without having to play a game at the MCG?

although they can hardly talk, how many times is it you travel pies? 0.000000003?

 

[Quicky]

they hate you because you got into the top 8 without having to play a game at the MCG?

although they can hardly talk, how many times is it you travel pies? 0.000000003?

We're not going to turn this thread into a WC vs Freo pissing contest. It's been a good thread so far and we want to keep it that way.

On our travel, about as much as any other Vic team. It isn't our fault your team is located in the most isolated capital city in the World. Suck it up.

 

[lozza63]

You're wrong to dismiss Freo, I predict a Collingwood v Freo Grand Final in 2011!

Capt Fant - could you elaborate on how/why you think that Freo will make the Grand Final next year? I just dont see where they can make the required improvement against teams such as Geelong and St.Kilda?

The bookies have the Hawks slotted in as 3rd favs I believe.

I feel Carlton and North will be more of a threat than Freo too....

Seems to be a long list of clubs for Freo to outperform given that they will be without top liners such as Taz and Hase - not to mention how Barlow returns (along with Pav and Sandi veritably one of their talisman performers - yep after only 13 games or so)!

Looking at their draw their last 7 games look to be a nightmare:
Syd (A), Derby, Hawks (H), Saints (A), Blues (H), North (A), Us (H) and Dogs to finish - no easy run home that!

 

[Jet11]

they hate you because you got into the top 8 without having to play a game at the MCG?

although they can hardly talk, how many times is it you travel pies? 0.000000003?

This was a good read and good thread until you turned up!

 

[hawkeyehogan]

Fremantle will slide next year wait and see.It's a feeling i have that their young players will have second year blues.