Freo Forward Line 2019

[theGav56]

Fremantle Titanic's and everyone gets a purple life jacket with their membership , during the games once we're screwed you pull the toggles and start blowing your whistle

Make a killing selling purple deck-chairs too.

 

[WilloTree]

Tabs can't play back, Cox can play either so is the ideal swingman. Tabs either plays forward or left right out.

I've gotta admit I'm a little confused at all this. Didn't we just send out picks 6,11,19 and 23 on marking forwards because Taberner couldn't do it? No disrespect against Taberner - for his talent he is certainly working hard to make a career, which is admirable. But, the bottom line is that he's been on the list 7 years and his best season was 18 goals.

Decent back-up, but the idea we'll play him in front of Hogan, Lobb or Cox would be the greatest head-scratcher in all Freo's history... and we've had a few.

 

[salim malik]

I've gotta admit I'm a little confused at all this. Didn't we just send out picks 6,11,19 and 23 on marking forwards because Taberner couldn't do it? No disrespect against Taberner - for his talent he is certainly working hard to make a career, which is admirable. But, the bottom line is that he's been on the list 7 years and his best season was 18 goals.

Decent back-up, but the idea we'll play him in front of Hogan, Lobb or Cox would be the greatest head-scratcher in all Freo's history... and we've had a few.

Yep Tabs has been here since 2012 and not a lot to write home about on his resume.

 

[Unique Name]

I've gotta admit I'm a little confused at all this. Didn't we just send out picks 6,11,19 and 23 on marking forwards because Taberner couldn't do it? No disrespect against Taberner - for his talent he is certainly working hard to make a career, which is admirable. But, the bottom line is that he's been on the list 7 years and his best season was 18 goals.

Decent back-up, but the idea we'll play him in front of Hogan, Lobb or Cox would be the greatest head-scratcher in all Freo's history... and we've had a few.

Because Tabs couldn't do it on his own. No forward is going to do well when he's the only option up forward. He's shown he can do it, but to be more consistent our forward line as a whole needs to improve.

We've struggled for years because we've run with only 1 or sometimes no geniuene KPFs. The biggest issue is that we've not had multiple options to seperate the oppositions focus.

Pav was able to manage in his prime because he was a bloody legend.

From what i have watched from this preseason Tabs has looked bloody good, much better than Cox (and so he should, he's 25yrs old entering his prime years).

Tab's isn't playing in front of Hogan or Lobb. He's playing alongside them. Cox needs to push his way into a forward spot if he wants it and I don't think he's shown enough this preseason.

In my mind Tabs is a FF (play deep, mark, kick goals similar to Tom McDonald from Melbourne).

Cox would be a CHF (Great mark, smart decision maker, good field kick) but Hogan has just taken that spot.

 

[Joao]

Because Tabs couldn't do it on his own. No forward is going to do well when he's the only option up forward. He's shown he can do it, but to be more consistent our forward line as a whole needs to improve.

We've struggled for years because we've run with only 1 or sometimes no geniuene KPFs. The biggest issue is that we've not had multiple options to seperate the oppositions focus.

Pav was able to manage in his prime because he was a bloody legend.

From what i have watched from this preseason Tabs has looked bloody good, much better than Cox (and so he should, he's 25yrs old entering his prime years).

Tab's isn't playing in front of Hogan or Lobb. He's playing alongside them. Cox needs to push his way into a forward spot if he wants it and I don't think he's shown enough this preseason.

In my mind Tabs is a FF (play deep, mark, kick goals similar to Tom McDonald from Melbourne).

Cox would be a CHF (Great mark, smart decision maker, good field kick) but Hogan has just taken that spot.

FTR, Tom McDonald spends a lot of time up the ground for Melbourne. Lines up on the wing occasionally if I am not mistaken.

Not too many deep forwards these days. That is fine though because I think Tabs is a good outlet up the ground anyway.

 

[WilloTree]

Because Tabs couldn't do it on his own. No forward is going to do well when he's the only option up forward. He's shown he can do it, but to be more consistent our forward line as a whole needs to improve.

Taberner played 5 years with Matthew Pavlich, Jon Griffin and Zac Clarke. In '07 with McCarthy and Kersten and last year with McCarthy and Cox.

He's never had to do it on his own.

 

[bruzaar62]

Taberner played 5 years with Matthew Pavlich, Jon Griffin and Zac Clarke. In '07 with McCarthy and Kersten and last year with McCarthy and Cox.

He's never had to do it on his own.

I think you shot yourself in the foot with those examples

 

[Unique Name]

Yep Tabs has been here since 2012 and not a lot to write home about on his resume.

Was Tabs meant to dominate over these last 3yrs when our midfield was getting trounced and the only i50's we were able to conjure were Danyle Pearce type specials?

Our forwards have all struggled because our midfield has been poor, our forward structures have been woeful and the delivery i50 just as bad.

I'm not sure individuals should take the full blame when they've been set up so poorly.

The club addressed this over the off season getting in more KPF's so we can structure up in a more traditional sense. 2 KPF's + ruck/fwd.

Tabs is 25yrs old now, fit as a fiddle, one of the best contested markers in the AFL, a good shot on goal and he will be sharing the load in the forward line.

If the midfield improves as i think it will our new forward line will function much better. Puts Tabs down to average between 1.5 and 2 goals a game (around 35-45 goals if he plays all games).

Cox hasn't shown anywhere near enough this preseason to take the role from a 25yrs old Tabs about to hit his prime. The coaches obviously agree, sending Cox to the backline (Something I don't agree with fwiw).

No excuses this season for anyone. That goes for Lyon, our midfield and our forward line, including Tabs.

Team is looking in good shape. Expect less goals against and more goals for. (Tabs will be a be part of the goals for).

 

[Unique Name]

FTR, Tom McDonald spends a lot of time up the ground for Melbourne. Lines up on the wing occasionally if I am not mistaken.

Not too many deep forwards these days. That is fine though because I think Tabs is a good outlet up the ground anyway.

Yep all forwards have to work up the ground. That's just modern football. But look at McDonald's heat maps he was always the deepest forward compared to Hogan and Weideman.

I expect Tabs to play a similar way.

 

[Joao]

Yep all forwards have to work up the ground. That's just modern football. But look at McDonald's heat maps he was always the deepest forward compared to Hogan and Weideman.

I expect Tabs to play a similar way.

That's interesting, do you have the heatmap? One of the things I noted watching Melbourne is how often Jesse and TMac weren't in the F50.

It is only one game but this is more what I thought he did.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-05-02/stats-show-tom-mcdonalds-versatility

 

[Unique Name]

Taberner played 5 years with Matthew Pavlich, Jon Griffin and Zac Clarke. In '07 with McCarthy and Kersten and last year with McCarthy and Cox.

He's never had to do it on his own.

Did you read what I wrote? McCarthy is not a KPF and niether is Kersten. I don't think anyone on this board would contest that call. So Tabs was the only KPF in a team that regularly struggled to move the football forward of centre and most of the time resorted to bombing long.

Our forward line setup wasn't helping anyone, partly why none of our forwards were able to kick a decent amount of goals. McCarthy in a good setup was able to boot 35 goals.

Last year Tabs was pretty bloody good in the early games when our midfield were able to get on top. Again i think everyone on this board was happy with Tabs' early season. The whole squad was shit after the bye so not sure why we would single him out.

When Pav was playing Tabs had played about 10 games, half of which he was the sub. Do you expect 10 game KPF's to dominate, especially in a team that struggled to transition the football into the forward half. Clarke and Griffin were not KPF's. Again our structures did not help the individuals in our forward line.

If he fails this season I'll join the chorus of fk him off. But I think a lot of the reasons Tabs' hasn't fired consistently yet is down to team structures and an underperforming midfield.

 

[Unique Name]

That's interesting, do you have the heatmap? One of the things I noted watching Melbourne is how often Jesse and TMac weren't in the F50.

It is only one game but this is more what I thought he did.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-05-02/stats-show-tom-mcdonalds-versatility

Just checking most game heatmaps from last year it shows Hogan at CHF and McDonald at FF.

Gold Coast game. McDonald kicked 6goals, Hogan 3 goals. McDonald did work up the ground but took more possession deeper than Hogan.

 

[Unique Name]

That's interesting, do you have the heatmap? One of the things I noted watching Melbourne is how often Jesse and TMac weren't in the F50.

It is only one game but this is more what I thought he did.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-05-02/stats-show-tom-mcdonalds-versatility

McDonald in Collingwood game.

 

[Joao]

McDonald in Collingwood game.

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Interesting, must play the role differently against different teams. I did watch that game too, but clearly wasn't paying that much attention.

 

[Unique Name]

Interesting, must play the role differently against different teams. I did watch that game too, but clearly wasn't paying that much attention.

A few heat maps do have Hogan playing as the deeper forward but not many. I expect due to matchups maybe. I didn't watch all Demon games.

But McDonald is definitely a versatile player. One of my favourites to watch.

McDonald vs Carlton.

 

[Joao]

A few heat maps do have Hogan playing as the deeper forward but not many. I expect due to matchups maybe. I didn't watch all Demon games.

But McDonald is definitely a versatile player. One of my favourites to watch.

McDonald vs Carlton.
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Yeah agree on Tmac. He is gun.

 

[WilloTree]

Did you read what I wrote? McCarthy is not a KPF and niether is Kersten. I don't think anyone on this board would contest that call. So Tabs was the only KPF in a team that regularly struggled to move the football forward of centre and most of the time resorted to bombing long.

Our forward line setup wasn't helping anyone, partly why none of our forwards were able to kick a decent amount of goals. McCarthy in a good setup was able to boot 35 goals.

Last year Tabs was pretty bloody good in the early games when our midfield were able to get on top. Again i think everyone on this board was happy with Tabs' early season. The whole squad was shit after the bye so not sure why we would single him out.

When Pav was playing Tabs had played about 10 games, half of which he was the sub. Do you expect 10 game KPF's to dominate, especially in a team that struggled to transition the football into the forward half. Clarke and Griffin were not KPF's. Again our structures did not help the individuals in our forward line.

If he fails this season I'll join the chorus of fk him off. But I think a lot of the reasons Tabs' hasn't fired consistently yet is down to team structures and an underperforming midfield.

Not sure why all of a sudden Matthew Taberner is the next Wayne Carey because of some decent training reports. He's coming off a 10 goal season.

Surely, the penny has dropped with the Taberner Cheer-Squad that if the club is spending 4 picks inside the top 25 at the draft on marking forwards - they are also concerned. To put that into perspective - that's Ben King, Jye Caldwell, Liam Stoker and Ian Hill. If the club had the same faith that some on here have, they would have just gone to the draft.

 

[Unique Name]

Not sure why all of a sudden Matthew Taberner is the next Wayne Carey because of some decent training reports. He's coming off a 10 goal season.

Surely, the penny has dropped with the Taberner Cheer-Squad that if the club is spending 4 picks inside the top 25 at the draft on marking forwards - they are also concerned. To put that into perspective - that's Ben King, Jye Caldwell, Liam Stoker and Ian Hill. If the club had the same faith that some on here have, they would have just gone to the draft.

Have you read anything i've actually wrote? Let's just leave it here. Good discussion.

 

[Clems Knee]

Not sure why all of a sudden Matthew Taberner is the next Wayne Carey because of some decent training reports. He's coming off a 10 goal season.

Surely, the penny has dropped with the Taberner Cheer-Squad that if the club is spending 4 picks inside the top 25 at the draft on marking forwards - they are also concerned. To put that into perspective - that's Ben King, Jye Caldwell, Liam Stoker and Ian Hill. If the club had the same faith that some on here have, they would have just gone to the draft.

Sorry, can you explain the 4 picks inside the top 25?

And what’s this Taberner Cheer Squad shit? Are you setting up an opposition to your scapegoating? Who actually said Matthew Taberner is the next Wayne Carey? Bit of strawman arguments going on here.

 

[heavho]

 

[Deveraux]

Not sure why all of a sudden Matthew Taberner is the next Wayne Carey because of some decent training reports. He's coming off a 10 goal season.

Surely, the penny has dropped with the Taberner Cheer-Squad that if the club is spending 4 picks inside the top 25 at the draft on marking forwards - they are also concerned. To put that into perspective - that's Ben King, Jye Caldwell, Liam Stoker and Ian Hill. If the club had the same faith that some on here have, they would have just gone to the draft.

Surely the penny has dropped with you that the club has pushed Cox out of the forward line to fit Tabs in there... it appears they rate him more than you do.

Yes, I am a supporter of Tabs and I'm not saying that this is what WILL happen but history is littered with examples where a KPF has suddenly put it altogether at 25/26yo and gone from not much to elite. He has showed signs the last 2 years and especially the start of last season, his last games were coming off major injury time off. If you don't see the potential there I can't help you.

 

[WilloTree]

Sorry, can you explain the 4 picks inside the top 25?

Oct 17, 2:35pm Trade # 28	FRE	Fremantle receives Rory Lobb, a first-round draft pick (No.14 at time of trade) and two third-round draft picks (No.43 and 47 at time of trade)	From Greater Western Sydney
GWS	Greater Western Sydney receives two first-round draft picks (No.11 and 19 at time of trade)	From Fremantle

Oct 17, 2:33pm Trade # 27	FRE	Fremantle receives Jesse Hogan and a fourth-round draft pick (No.65 at time of trade)	From Melbourne
MEL	Melbourne receives a first-round draft pick (No.6 at time of trade) and a second-round draft pick (No.23 at time of trade)	From Fremantle

 

[heavho]

Not sure why all of a sudden Matthew Taberner is the next Wayne Carey because of some decent training reports. He's coming off a 10 goal season.

Surely, the penny has dropped with the Taberner Cheer-Squad that if the club is spending 4 picks inside the top 25 at the draft on marking forwards - they are also concerned. To put that into perspective - that's Ben King, Jye Caldwell, Liam Stoker and Ian Hill. If the club had the same faith that some on here have, they would have just gone to the draft.

Tabener only played 9 games in 2018 after a broken leg

 

[WilloTree]

Surely the penny has dropped with you that the club has pushed Cox out of the forward line to fit Tabs in there... it appears they rate him more than you do.

Yes, I am a supporter of Tabs and I'm not saying that this is what WILL happen but history is littered with examples where a KPF has suddenly put it altogether at 25/26yo and gone from not much to elite. He has showed signs the last 2 years and especially the start of last season, his last games were coming off major injury time off. If you don't see the potential there I can't help you.

I hope you're right - I just get the feeling it's a case of 'fool me once..'

 

[Deveraux]

I hope I am too, heh.

I think with Tabs it is a lot to do with above the shoulders, He's always had the size to belong at the top level but I think he is finally realising himself that he belongs there. I'm sure everyone remembers his lack of demand and attack at the ball and flinching from potential impact etc. There was no sign of that last year, he was confident.