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[collingwill]

Essendon would pay as much for him in the PSD, and obviously have a pick ahead of us.

Time to forget about Luke Ball, and watch Sidebottom, Beams and co carry our midfield forward.

i wouldnt be so sure about that, they would be paying massive overs for a player who they might not think they need and they know he doesnt want to play for the club.

 

[Ron]

Luke Ball should just say i want to play for Collingwood, any other team drafts me and i will retire. Just like Carr did last year. teams wont call his bluff.

If they did, let him retire and if possible play him in the VFL team for a year and do it all again next year.

 

[collingwill]

from what i heard MM and co said "NOTHING" about what picks were offered or not offered, if the saints have mentioned it i apoligise, how does anyone know what we offered, MM said NO PLAYER was offered for trade and if thats true then how did we get pick 25 ? did nth give it to us ? as far as i know us offering pick 25 and 63 is just a rumour until i get somemore reliable info.

 

[MarkT2]

should try and get him late in the ND

trump Melbourne with a fourth rounder

If we offered pick 30 wouldn’t we just use that pick in the ND? Assuming of course he lasted that long. Would be nice to take him with the pick Mr. “Come And See Me And I’ll Move You On” knocked back.

 

[Optimax]

If we offered pick 30 wouldn’t we just use that pick in the ND? Assuming of course he lasted that long. Would be nice to take him with the pick Mr. “Come And See Me And I’ll Move You On” knocked back.

Its an idea, depends on how shallow we rate the draft.

 

[Invigoration]

from what i heard MM and co said "NOTHING" about what picks were offered or not offered, if the saints have mentioned it i apoligise, how does anyone know what we offered, MM said NO PLAYER was offered for trade and if thats true then how did we get pick 25 ? did nth give it to us ? as far as i know us offering pick 25 and 63 is just a rumour until i get somemore reliable info.

Pick 30 + Wellingham to North for pick 25.

 

[FIGJAM]

from what i heard MM and co said "NOTHING" about what picks were offered or not offered, if the saints have mentioned it i apoligise, how does anyone know what we offered, MM said NO PLAYER was offered for trade and if thats true then how did we get pick 25 ? did nth give it to us ? as far as i know us offering pick 25 and 63 is just a rumour until i get somemore reliable info.

We would have moved Wellingham onto north.

I am pissed we couldn't do the deal, but I rate Wellers and trading him for Ball is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Wellers is a bit loose mentally, but he turned games with his centre bounce stints this year. Get his eyes fixed and set Buckley on him!

 

[MarkT2]

We'll take nothing because thats effectively what we're getting with those picks we wont use. Lyon made it clear he wanted a player or a pick that could be used to source a player from another club. The Saints have made there stance pretty clear all week. We haven't treated Ball badly because he's too good of a player to just give away for nothing. As much as you all say he's slow or injury prone he'd be the best inside mid at collingwood in a heart beat. By the way his last 2 years have been pretty injury free.

BS city from Lyon. BS about moving players on and BS about the draft. Pick 25 or 30 is ALWAYS usable. It doesn’t always fetch a quality player but no club in history has ever not drafted to 30 when they had a pick. If Lyon doesn’t think his recruiter can snag quality at 25 or 30 then he has no confidence in his staff.

If Ball was to go into the draft Lyon would have a hard time justifying his stance. Williams snagged a flag to justify losing Stevens for nothing when offered picks. It remains to be seen how close the playing group are after Max and Ball depart of less than pleasant terms.

 

[Helfarch]

Surey StKilda haven't really withdrawn their contract offer? Beyond belief if it's really true.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Its an idea, depends on how shallow we rate the draft.

It shouldn't. If we were prepared to offer Wellingham + #30 before the draft for Ball, we would be absolutely mental to pass up on Ball @ #30 in the draft.

I'd have to think it's unlikely he's still there though.

 

[Optimax]

It shouldn't. If we were prepared to offer Wellingham + #30 before the draft for Ball, we would be absolutely mental to pass up on Ball @ #30 in the draft.

I'd have to think it's unlikely he's still there though.

id imagine he would be

Taking him at 30 seems a decent enough idea currently

 

[MarkT2]

Its an idea, depends on how shallow we rate the draft.

Haven't we already deemed Ball worth that pick to us? That part seems to me an easy equation.

If Ball is really at odds with St. Kilda then he should nominate for the national draft. We guarantee him we will take him at our first pick (30). We can't guarantee he will still be there by then but what do we have to lose? Ball's choice seems to be go back to St. Kilda and kiss and make up with a coach who has clearly been shown to have been merely posturing when challenging the players to up the anti, go to Melbourne via the PSD or punt he could end up anywhere in the ND with a decent chance he will get to Collingwood for a pre agreed contract.

No one will use a first round pick or else they would already have offered it to St. Kilda. That leaves rebuilding clubs with early second round picks and a few clubs in our boat that would take a good look at him.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Also, he can't go into the ND unless he is delisted before the list lodgement date, AFAIK. Not sure the Saints would do that, unless perhaps Lyon decided that instead of burying Ball and pissing on his grave, they might just bury him and leave it at that.

 

[Alpha Male]

Hey all,

I'm not trying to start a fight but how is this Lyon's fault? If Malthouse offered Brown or got the deal for Everitt under way then it's likely that Ball would be on your list.

It goes both ways. Wellingham and 62 is not equal to Ball.

If St. Kilda offered Geary and pick 70 for Fraser, who was also in and out of your side this year, most fans would think the Saints were nuts.

I think that Ball will re-sign with St. Kilda. Lyon said his previous offer had been removed but he also said that Luke is more than welcome at the club and has the chance to prove himself in a couple of training sessions coming up.

Ball wants to play in a flag ans St. kilda is his best chance. He just needs to take to ego hit of not being a certain starter and use that as motivation. Dal Santo, Milne and Gram all copped it and became better players. Ball needs to do the same.

Good luck for 2010 guys

 

[MarkT2]

Also, he can't go into the ND unless he is delisted before the list lodgement date, AFAIK. Not sure the Saints would do that, unless perhaps Lyon decided that instead of burying Ball and pissing on his grave, they might just bury him and leave it at that.

I think that was the problem Stevens faced but the difference is he really p’d off the club. Saints would be under a bit of pressure refusing a trade and then stopping a good club servant from nominating for the national draft, particularly after Lyon’s speech. If they are getting nothing for him by pushing him into the PSD then why, other than spite, prevent him nominating for the national draft.

 

[Optimax]

Also, he can't go into the ND unless he is delisted before the list lodgement date, AFAIK. Not sure the Saints would do that, unless perhaps Lyon decided that instead of burying Ball and pissing on his grave, they might just bury him and leave it at that.

He is uncontracted, he doesnt sign by october 31st he is a free agent and therefore delisted

I hope we stay in contact with ball getting him at pick 30 seems possible so get it done and **** st.kilda

 

[MarkT2]

Was Stevens contracted? I can’t recall.

 

[Ron]

Was Stevens contracted? I can’t recall.

No he wasn't, hence the PSD.

If he was still contracted, Port would have just kept him on their list.

 

[Optimax]

Was Stevens contracted? I can’t recall.

no uncontracted as well

 

[Invigoration]

Hey all,

I'm not trying to start a fight but how is this Lyon's fault? If Malthouse offered Brown or got the deal for Everitt under way then it's likely that Ball would be on your list.

It goes both ways. Wellingham and 62 is not equal to Ball.

If St. Kilda offered Geary and pick 70 for Fraser, who was also in and out of your side this year, most fans would think the Saints were nuts.

And no-one on here would give Brown for Ball, so why would we do that. It is like saying if you guys were willing to give Armitage then Fraser would be on your list now.

It was Wellingham and pick 30. Your right, it does go both ways. Luke Ball was worth a second rounder but you chose not to take it, your loss in the end.

 

[Skade]

Gents..

This source i have just talked so in the past has come through and other times hasent, but my mail is that Saints and Pies have stopped talking. Deal on Ball wont be done!

I hope my source is wrong.

Pretty reliable mate.

 

[MarkT2]

I'm not trying to start a fight but how is this Lyon's fault? If Malthouse offered Brown or got the deal for Everitt under way then it's likely that Ball would be on your list.

Sure. If we offered FAR too much we could get any player. If we let Didak and our first round pick go a few years back we would have landed Stevens. Brown is a promising KP player. No club would swap him for Ball. Maybe a 21 year old injury free Ball but that isn’t what he is and that’s why clubs were not clamouring for his signature. He may have been drafted before Judd but a lot has changed since then – not the least of which is the coach telling the whole list he would move them on if they wanted.

It goes both ways. Wellingham and 62 is not equal to Ball.

I don’t think hat was the deal. I think it was Wellingham and 30 which is fair. Pick 30 is fair. 25 and 62 is fair.

All of them are more than 0.

If St. Kilda offered Geary and pick 70 for Fraser, who was also in and out of your side this year, most fans would think the Saints were nuts.

Fraser has never been in and out of the side. He has either been fit or injured. I don’t think he’s played a VFL game. Arguments about Fraser’s worth are irrelevant though. Personally I’d have traded him years ago.

I think that Ball will re-sign with St. Kilda.

Lyon would hope so. I’d hope Collingwood make the offer to take him at pick 30 and then leave him to make his decision. He deserves that much respect.

Ball wants to play in a flag ans St. kilda is his best chance. He just needs to take to ego hit of not being a certain starter and use that as motivation. Dal Santo, Milne and Gram all copped it and became better players. Ball needs to do the same.

Milne didn’t become a better player but that aside, Ball is in a different place. If he has fallen out of love with the club/coach and the coach has lost confidence in him then why stay? He could have signed a contract during the year but he saw the writing on the wall. The coach is entitled to make his calls on game plan and personal.

The next step will be interesting.

 

[tranquilli lace]

Hey all,


I think that Ball will re-sign with St. Kilda. Lyon said his previous offer had been removed but he also said that Luke is more than welcome at the club and has the chance to prove himself in a couple of training sessions coming up.

What on earth does he have to prove?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

We need to leak to the media that the reason that we didn't trade N Brown for him (not that we ever would have), is that our medical assessment on Ball was that his groins were shot, and he would be lucky to see out his next contract.

Then we pick him up at #30.

 

[Alpha Male]

Hey all,


I think that Ball will re-sign with St. Kilda. Lyon said his previous offer had been removed but he also said that Luke is more than welcome at the club and has the chance to prove himself in a couple of training sessions coming up.

What on earth does he have to prove?

He needs to show that he is committed to the Saints.

David Armitage said after the season that the reason he didn't play more games in 2009 was because he didn't work as hard as he could have. He felt he'd done enough last year and didn't go up another level.

Ball is in the same boat. Yes he only played 50% game time but Swan is one of the most benched players in the league and he racks up the stats. Each player is different.

I think that it was poor on both sides but the fault for this isn't all at Lyon's feet as most Magpie fans seem to think.

I also don't think he will be released in time for the National Draft so he will either re-sign with the Saints or go to the PSD.