Certified Legendary Thread Future of James Aish, for a limited time only! (trolling opposition supporters automatic day off)

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If they want him as part of the Aish trade they will get him, he is behind Maynard, Sharenberg, ox etc
He is currently behind them however in terms of improvement he has a lot left in the tank imo. Toovey and Goldsack are also late 20's and on the way out so there will be plenty of spots opening. The problem with Seedsman is consistency. His best gets him into the 22 of any team in the comp. He's still only 23 and been stunted by injury, I'd give him at least another season before deciding to trade
 

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We could ask but why would Collingwood agree? We've been through this before and found out it doesn't really matter what is fair or reasonable.

Collingwood's second round pick is likely to be close to pick 30. That alone would be roughly the trade value we got for Docherty and Yeo two years ago. That, plus steak knives, is probably all Collingwood is prepared to pay. Once a player has nominated his destination, it doesn't really matter what a player's true value is because we'll get offered whatever the destination club is prepared to pay.

IMO, the only way to get reasonable value back from a side like the Pies is by getting the best possible steak knives in the deal. I just don't see a team outside the top 8 throwing a first round pick at us for Aish.

As I mentioned earlier, I want to see Collingwood playing fair.
Not much is gained in trying to be a bully in these discussions and I don't really want us to have the reputation of being too difficult to deal with.

To be honest, I think we do trade fairly. We have a good trading history with a lot of teams, especially Sydney.
I think Essendon have the worst reputation.

You cant blame us for wanting plenty for Beams last year. To lose such a top line player in his prime is a bitter pill, and we received only potential in exchange. History will decide how we faired, but you don't easily hand over a gun that is in contract.

Anyhow, as I mentioned earlier, I would be happy to offer our second pick and Adam Oxley, who would be a great pick up for you and is a Qld"er to boot.
 

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As I mentioned earlier, I want to see Collingwood playing fair.
Not much is gained in trying to be a bully in these discussions and I don't really want us to have the reputation of being too difficult to deal with.

To be honest, I think we do trade fairly. We have a good trading history with a lot of teams, especially Sydney.
I think Essendon have the worst reputation.

You cant blame us for wanting plenty for Beams last year. To lose such a top line player in his prime is a bitter pill, and we received only potential in exchange. History will decide how we faired, but you don't easily hand over a gun that is in contract.

Anyhow, as I mentioned earlier, I would be happy to offer our second pick and Adam Oxley, who would be a great pick up for you and is a Qld"er to boot.
As much as there has been hostility between supporters and a bit of shade thrown by the clubs in the media, I think at the end of the day the powers that be at both the Pies and Lions in regards to trading are on good terms and were both content with last years deal and how both clubs handled the deal. And if Aish does want to go to the Pies I think it is 100% safe to say that the two clubs will act professionally and get a good deal done even though Lions fans will want us to play extra hardball and Pies fans will want to screw us over.
 

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As I mentioned earlier, I want to see Collingwood playing fair.
Not much is gained in trying to be a bully in these discussions and I don't really want us to have the reputation of being too difficult to deal with.

To be honest, I think we do trade fairly. We have a good trading history with a lot of teams, especially Sydney.
I think Essendon have the worst reputation.

You cant blame us for wanting plenty for Beams last year. To lose such a top line player in his prime is a bitter pill, and we received only potential in exchange. History will decide how we faired, but you don't easily hand over a gun that is in contract.

Anyhow, as I mentioned earlier, I would be happy to offer our second pick and Adam Oxley, who would be a great pick up for you and is a Qld"er to boot.
The Lions and the pies have a pretty good trading relationship, most have been pretty fair in the past. If you were supporting the Blooze or Essendank, then yeah we would probably be carding you :p
 
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Aish to Adelaide seems to have faded. I still think this is most likely destination especially if Dangerfield departs.
Just how it works.

Start of the year Adelaide was favourite, then came Port, then some Vic clubs reportedly interested, narrowed down to Collingwood & Carlton, before you know it it'll be back to Adelaide vs Port.
 

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The Lions and the pies have a pretty good trading relationship, most have been pretty fair in the past. If you were supporting the Blooze or Essendank, then yeah we would probably be carding you :p
Still think the only winner out of Karnezis / Paine trade was Karnezis' mum (getting her little boy back).

 
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I'd do Oxley + Pies secound rounder. I know Oxley has been somewhat inconsistent but has played 16 games this year. also seems to be the type of player we don't have - a genuine small defender/back flanker. we are trying to manufacture them in Rich/Claye Beams and others.

from an age perspective we only have 2 others players born in his year. he is the age of the guys who left the club over recent years.


one thing I interpreted from Greg Swann's comments a couple of weeks ago wrt to trading Aish was that we might choose to ignore his preferred destination. eg. if he nominated the pies and we thought Carlton was offering a much better deal we might either force through a trade to Carlton or let him go pre-season draft. Would be nothing personal against the Pies just that we can't keep accepting unders for every first round pick who wants to leave the club because it will just keep happening to us.
 
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Just how it works.

Start of the year Adelaide was favourite, then came Port, then some Vic clubs reportedly interested, narrowed down to Collingwood & Carlton, before you know it it'll be back to Adelaide vs Port.
Yeah, it might just be that no one inside the beltway sees any benefit in leaking any further info about Aish going to a South Australian club.

I don't know if I really believe that, though.

one thing I interpreted from Greg Swann's comments a couple of weeks ago wrt to trading Aish was that we might choose to ignore his preferred destination. eg. if he nominated the pies and we thought Carlton was offering a much better deal we might either force through a trade to Carlton or let him go pre-season draft. Would be nothing personal against the Pies just that we can't keep accepting unders for every first round pick who wants to leave the club because it will just keep happening to us.
I'd like to think we'd have the wriggle room to do that, but I think player-managers would react against that approach. If they continue to effectively choose their players' destinations then they have maximum leverage to get the best deal for the player. If the club trading the player gets that choice, even some of that choice, then it diminishes their bargaining position.
 

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I do Oxley + Pies secound rounder. I know Oxley has been somewhat inconsistent but has played 16 games this year. also seems to be the type of player we don't have - a genuine small defender/back flanker. we are trying to manufacture them in Rich/Claye Beams and others.

from an age perspective we only have 2 others players born in his year. he is the age of the guys who left the club over recent years.


one thing I interpreted from Greg Swann's comments a couple of weeks ago wrt to trading Aish was that we might choose to ignore his preferred destination. eg. if he nominated the pies and we thought Carlton was offering a much better deal we might either force through a trade to Carlton or let him go pre-season draft. Would be nothing personal against the Pies just that we can't keep accepting unders for every first round pick who wants to leave the club because it will just keep happening to us.
One thing we all know is that clubs like to talk tough, but aren't often prepared to gain nothing to make a point.
Remember the 5.00pm cut off on the Beams deal? :)

When push comes to shove, you just need to get the best deal you can.
No way does he go into the PSD.
 

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one thing I interpreted from Greg Swann's comments a couple of weeks ago wrt to trading Aish was that we might choose to ignore his preferred destination. eg. if he nominated the pies and we thought Carlton was offering a much better deal we might either force through a trade to Carlton or let him go pre-season draft. Would be nothing personal against the Pies just that we can't keep accepting unders for every first round pick who wants to leave the club because it will just keep happening to us.
This may be as good an opportunity as Brisbane get to make an example of players wanting to dictate terms. Best I see Brisbane doing on the trade table is a late first rounder which is not of great value in what is purportedly a very weak draft. They make a pretty strong statement by sending a pick 7 into the draft and all they lose is a pick in a weak draft. Given that Brisbane has demonstrated its susceptible to players leaving, it seems like a move that may have some medium-long term value for relatively little cost.
 

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Might be a weak draft but a late first round or early second round pick will be of great importance to securing academy prospects. Don't think we would send him to PSS but will definitely use the threat to get the best deal.
 

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Yeah, a pick in the 15-20 range saves us some hassle. That means we'd want the top 4/6 sides interested.

I suspect Aish might be the last domino to fall after Dangerfield, Treloar etc. Dunno how that will go down.
 

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I think you'll find that if you guys are happy with Seed or OX and a second rounder that most pies supporters will be reasonably pleasant to deal with.
Oxley and a 2nd rounder looks good to me. Would prefer Bell and the Blues 2nd pick, but that seems slightly out of the realms currently.
 
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I want to gamble on Toumpas (if I haven't made it clear already) with an upgrade of our third round to a second round. I think Aish would be a good fit for Melbourne and I would be a little bit less sour if he wants to move to a footy state that he doesn't end up at a big club. Plus I think Melbourne is going to pull ahead of the Big C clubs in the next few years because of the Roos factor and they do actually have talent on their list.
 

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One thing we all know is that clubs like to talk tough, but aren't often prepared to gain nothing to make a point.
Remember the 5.00pm cut off on the Beams deal? :)

When push comes to shove, you just need to get the best deal you can.
No way does he go into the PSD.
I don't think it's "push comes to shove"... it's the reality that a player will get to the club he wants regardless. The last club in memory to try and make the point was St Kilda with Luke Ball. St Kilda couldn't / didn't deal with Collingwood and push Ball to the PSD. 29 clubs pass up the opportunity to take Ball and he gets to Collingwood anyway by nominating terms.
You can pretty much guarantee that if Aish wants to go to the Collingwood and ends up in the PSD, he will be nominating very expensive very specific terms that only Collingwood is prepared to match.
 

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Ox is a great kick and mark, really good at intercepting and can find the footy. Is a good size but lacks speed. People say he is soft but I don't really see it.
Seedsmans provides good run and carry, an overrated kick and is very soft and makes dumb decisions.

If I were you guys I would go for Ox especially given he's from QLD and won't wanna leave in few years. He's the superior player.

Noticed Aish only has a disposal eff of 63%.. Is he a bad kick or is that stat surprising?
 

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I think Aish's kicking was over rated a bit, but i think as far as stats goes, he is better than that. Keep in mind he has been playing for us, and probably just chucking the ball on the boot under pressure.
 
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