Prediction Future of Josh has gone to the Dogs.

[Kernel Kurtz]

I think it is fair to ask for an indication more than a month out as to what way you are leaning.

What are we now? 5 months from the end of the season. I think we are well within pur rights to say please give as a tentative yes or no by August. At least then we can seriously start probing possible replacements.

I think that August would be about right and fair to expect a firm answer from him, leaving us about 4 or 5 games to structure the team without him if he chooses to leave.
You'd think the club would be thinking along these lines , its all the social media and AFL media that ramps everything up.

 

[fanackapan]

Kicking more than 2 goals in a game would change the outlook on him. At the end of the day, goals is one of the main metrics he'll be judged on, and as much promise as he's shown, he still hasn't kicked more than 2 in a game through his 19 games. Freeman and Hipwood did in their 2nd, McStay in his 5th, Walker 13th, Close 17th. *

Not saying he can't; he clearly can. But actually doing it will change his value (and more crucially, so will not doing it).

[*] Paparone, Zorko, Mayes, Taylor, Robinson, Bastinac, Christensen also kicked >2 before their 20th game, but they're playing different positions

 

[jackess]

Kicking more than 2 goals in a game would change the outlook on him. At the end of the day, goals is one of the main metrics he'll be judged on, and as much promise as he's shown, he still hasn't kicked more than 2 in a game through his 19 games. Freeman and Hipwood did in their 2nd, McStay in his 5th, Walker 13th, Close 17th. *

Not saying he can't; he clearly can. But actually doing it will change his value (and more crucially, so will not doing it).

[*] Paparone, Zorko, Mayes, Taylor, Robinson, Bastinac, Christensen also kicked >2 before their 20th game, but they're playing different positions

That's the main worry I have. He did kick 2.3 against the Eagles last year IIRC.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Doesn't their contract run out at the end of october? So after trade period. I'd say it's fair to want them to re-sign before trade period.

Its not a requirement at all. (as you know but chose to be sarcastic) My posting is basically stating how I see the situation and is asking for other peoples thoughts.

Wasn't being sarcastic at all, not sure why you'd think that.

The view of the footy public as a whole is that if a player doesn't sign a new contract mid-season they're out the door. And the date seems to be moving forward all the time so that if they're not signing at the start of the year (as was the case with Schache here) people assume the worst - but I realise that wasn't what you were positing. That we're so suspicious when players don't resign is a sad state of affairs.

 

[jackess]

Wasn't being sarcastic at all, not sure why you'd think that.

The view of the footy public as a whole is that if a player doesn't sign a new contract mid-season they're out the door. And the date seems to be moving forward all the time so that if they're not signing at the start of the year (as was the case with Schache here) people assume the worst - but I realise that wasn't what you were positing. That we're so suspicious when players don't resign is a sad state of affairs.

Can't it just be that most players re-sign before the end of the last season of their contract (especially the ones the club are desperate to keep), therefore the closer to the end of the season they are unsigned the greater the chance that they won't?

Of course it's just a guessing game.

 

[13Beast]

If it's over six weeks past when the new CBA has been done and dusted, and still no further info or developments on the contract front, then I'll start getting the jitters.

 

[Cooties]

This is a classic case of Schrodinger's Schache. What we need to do is put Schache in a box with a pen and a contract and until we look back in there he's both staying and leaving making everyone here right... vintage win-win scenario

 

[Billy Puller]

Win vintage win Rodeo

 

[Voss the boss]

Wasn't being sarcastic at all, not sure why you'd think that.

The view of the footy public as a whole is that if a player doesn't sign a new contract mid-season they're out the door. And the date seems to be moving forward all the time so that if they're not signing at the start of the year (as was the case with Schache here) people assume the worst - but I realise that wasn't what you were positing. That we're so suspicious when players don't resign is a sad state of affairs.

Just out of curiosity- does anyone know when the last lions players to sign a contract past mid season in the last year and obviously stay vs those that didn't and went?

Only one I can think of in the last few years that had some market value is Sam Mayes. Those gone Polec, docherty, longer, karnezis, yeo, aish, redden?, rischettelli, Brennan, Patfull, clark. So I guess there is a reason we might be concerned.

 

[Nunez]

Just out of curiosity- does anyone know when the last lions players to sign a contract past mid season in the last year and obviously stay vs those that didn't and went?

Only one I can think of in the last few years that had some market value is Sam Mayes. Those gone Polec, docherty, longer, karnezis, yeo, aish, redden?, rischettelli, Brennan, Patfull, clark. So I guess there is a reason we might be concerned.

Dizzy? Taylor? Matho? Hipwood?

 

[Ironmonger]

Just out of curiosity- does anyone know when the last lions players to sign a contract past mid season in the last year and obviously stay vs those that didn't and went?

Only one I can think of in the last few years that had some market value is Sam Mayes. Those gone Polec, docherty, longer, karnezis, yeo, aish, redden?, rischettelli, Brennan, Patfull, clark. So I guess there is a reason we might be concerned.

Maybe not a lot of market value, but Gardiner left it very late indeed from memory.

 

[Voss the boss]

Dizzy? Taylor? Matho? Hipwood?

Hippy and matho signed in their first Year

Yep dizzy and Taylor I forgot about

 

[briztoon]

Might be worth watching AFL 360 tonight as they'll discuss how young key forwards should be brought on and how you can't rush progress.

 

[dlanod]

Just out of curiosity- does anyone know when the last lions players to sign a contract past mid season in the last year and obviously stay vs those that didn't and went?

Only one I can think of in the last few years that had some market value is Sam Mayes. Those gone Polec, docherty, longer, karnezis, yeo, aish, redden?, rischettelli, Brennan, Patfull, clark. So I guess there is a reason we might be concerned.

Patfull was contracted...

 

[bungalow_bill]

IIRC didn't Bradshaw drag out resigning until the last minute?

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Can't it just be that most players re-sign before the end of the last season of their contract (especially the ones the club are desperate to keep), therefore the closer to the end of the season they are unsigned the greater the chance that they won't?

Of course it's just a guessing game.

It is a guessing game, but whenever I hear the rather implausible excuse of "he just wants to concentrate on playing good football this year", I worry. It's implausible both because you have a manager who handles all the negotiating and a few discussions with your manager every so often isn't likely to be a major distraction; and secondly, because if ever something is going to take your mind off the game as a young man it's the constant media speculation over the reasons you haven't re-signed.

 

[Franksgun3]

Schache is almost certain to leave at the end of the year in my opinion

 

[Harris Specter]

When there's fire, there's smoke. Will support him but if he decides to leave at the end, that'll probably do it for me.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Just out of curiosity- does anyone know when the last lions players to sign a contract past mid season in the last year and obviously stay vs those that didn't and went?

Only one I can think of in the last few years that had some market value is Sam Mayes. Those gone Polec, docherty, longer, karnezis, yeo, aish, redden?, rischettelli, Brennan, Patfull, clark. So I guess there is a reason we might be concerned.

McGrath regularly. I seem to recall one year (when the PSD was held early the following year) he was uncontracted through January. Bradshaw was another. But certainly as list management has become more sophisticated the recent trend is for locking away contracts earlier.

 

[luthor]

IIRC didn't Bradshaw drag out resigning until the last minute?

Every time his contract was up for renewal, IIRC.

When he did leave, the Swans got very little value out of him.

Our decision to let him go at the end of 2009 was well and truly vindicated.

 

[conVINCEd]

Schache is almost certain to leave at the end of the year in my opinion

What do you think his reasons for leaving will be?

 

[winged1]

L0

Every time his contract was up for renewal, IIRC.

When he did leave, the Swans got very little value out of him.

Our decision to let him go at the end of 2009 was well and truly vindicated.

But poorly executed

 

[winged1]

What do you think his reasons for leaving will be?

Homesick. He isn't going to get more opportunity anywhere else, nor probably more money. But if he needs to go home to be closer to his mum and brothers, this is one I am not going to criticise. Conversely we could relocate his mum and brothers to Brisbane

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm still thinking he'll stay. Strong gut feeling.

 

[dlanod]

Homesick. He isn't going to get more opportunity anywhere else, nor probably more money. But if he needs to go home to be closer to his mum and brothers, this is one I am not going to criticise. Conversely we could relocate his mum and brothers to Brisbane

I take the opposite approach. I'm quite willing to condone moving for more opportunity or more cash, because I feel it'd be hypocritical to expect behaviour that most wouldn't adhere to. But "homesickness", when you're knowingly entering a national competition with the reality of the draft having existed for years, is just sad. If that was going to be a concern then they shouldn't have entered the draft in the first place.