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Seedsfan

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Oz Rugby was much better with just NSW, Qld & ACT. Better standard. We would be largely uncompetitive with four or five Oz teams v the NZ teams.
In the short term maybe, but the idea is to improve and we won’t do that with 3 pro sides
 

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NZRU will be well aware that RA have no money and no idea.

The entire time I've watched SR NZ have had 5 teams, a provincial championship and for 99% of the time the best test team in the world.

Meanwhile we've had 3-4-5-4, ARC for a year, NRC 7 years after that, and a test team that has been anywhere from WC finalists to barely QF standard.
 

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NZRU will be well aware that RA have no money and no idea.

The entire time I've watched SR NZ have had 5 teams, a provincial championship and for 99% of the time the best test team in the world.

Meanwhile we've had 3-4-5-4, ARC for a year, NRC 7 years after that, and a test team that has been anywhere from WC finalists to barely QF standard.
It’s because there is too much infighting. For too long the SRU has had way too much power. They always stymie attempts to get a NRC style competition going to protect the Shute Shield. We need a revolution get rid of the old way of doing business
 

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So a 4th or/and 3rd Australian team is too crap but a "Pacific Island" team where the game isn't even professional is up to standard? Sounds... odd. Who'd be funding this "Pacific Island" team?
IRB development fund just like the Dura. NZ want to be the dominant partner but rugby in NZ is not sustainable the way it is. With the costs blowing out at the top end and the super Rugby revenue collapsing they are going to leave themselves very vulnerable financially.
 

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For too long the SRU has had way too much power. They always stymie attempts to get a NRC style competition going to protect the Shute Shield. We need a revolution get rid of the old way of doing business
The old model worked but not now.
The super rugby model failed.
A "national" competition has even less appeal.
Swallow your pride and play with the kiwis.
 

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The old model worked but not now.
The super rugby model failed.
A "national" competition has even less appeal.
Swallow your pride and play with the kiwis.
Not if they are clubs with history instead of the made up NRC ones.

No thanks, have no interest being the sheep shaggers bitches.
 

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A Pacific Island team would just be funded by the NZRU and would be a feeder team for the NZRU.

SR with 5 NZ, 1 PI and 2 AU would be a disaster for Australian rugby.

A domestic comp of 8 teams here would be a disaster for Australian rugby.
How is having a 6-8 team Aussie comp a disaster?

They had the super 15 and killing off Perth was a disaster.
 

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How is having a 6-8 team Aussie comp a disaster?

They had the super 15 and killing off Perth was a disaster.
It would be like having all Socceroos picked from an A-League that consisted solely of Australian players then wondering why France and Germany beat us 10-0 in the World Cup.
 

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It would be like having all Socceroos picked from an A-League that consisted solely of Australian players then wondering why France and Germany beat us 10-0 in the World Cup.
In that super 15/18 era..... We had the 5 Aussie sides.... Act Brumbies, NSW and Queensland were decent and won the Super comp at least once. Melbourne were semi decent. Perth were crap but remarkably have a following.

I have said if your going to have an 8 team Aussie Rugby union comp, have those 5 teams in plus an Adelaide side and a 2nd NSW side such as a NSW country side or western NSW team then a 2nd Queensland side that's either on the Gold coast or north Queensland.

Sure the NSW and Queensland and ACT sides will be contenders for the 1st 5 or so years due to experience but the other sides will slowly improve
 

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In that super 15/18 era..... We had the 5 Aussie sides.... Act Brumbies, NSW and Queensland were decent and won the Super comp at least once. Melbourne were semi decent. Perth were crap but remarkably have a following.

I have said if your going to have an 8 team Aussie Rugby union comp, have those 5 teams in plus an Adelaide side and a 2nd NSW side such as a NSW country side or western NSW team then a 2nd Queensland side that's either on the Gold coast or north Queensland.

Sure the NSW and Queensland and ACT sides will be contenders for the 1st 5 or so years due to experience but the other sides will slowly improve
rebels were just as sh*t if not worse. they only got better when they took half of the force side after their removal
 

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rebels were just as sh*t if not worse. they only got better when they took half of the force side after their removal
I don't care.

We needed a revamping for the Australian rugby union sides.

Should of had an 8-10 team Australian rugby union comp back in 2000-2005.

But nah, most of the cash was made was given to the national side.

Rugby union didn't care about grassroots level development.

If we had an 8 team comp, even if each of those sides had a salary cap of 2-3 million, it would slowly grow the game.

I didn't care if NSW, Queensland and ACT dominated the 1st 5-10 years, there could of been slow but gradual growth in all of the big 5 states in NSW, Queensland, Victoria, SA and WA if things were done right
 

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So South Africa are heading North to greener pastures. Gee, who saw that coming?
Beat thing to happen for rugby in the pacific.

They wanted the Sunwolves gone for shits a giggles and to also cut the Aussie teams.
 

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I don't care.

We needed a revamping for the Australian rugby union sides.

Should of had an 8-10 team Australian rugby union comp back in 2000-2005.

But nah, most of the cash was made was given to the national side.

Rugby union didn't care about grassroots level development.

If we had an 8 team comp, even if each of those sides had a salary cap of 2-3 million, it would slowly grow the game.

I didn't care if NSW, Queensland and ACT dominated the 1st 5-10 years, there could of been slow but gradual growth in all of the big 5 states in NSW, Queensland, Victoria, SA and WA if things were done right
They spent all their money in bringing in League stars instead of building a grassroots behemoth.
 

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They spent all their money in bringing in League stars instead of building a grassroots behemoth.
that was Part of the Problem.

I didnt mind Rebels and Western force in the comp. Sure, Let them get sloppy 2nds from the NSW and Queensland state leagues if they need to fill up their roster.

Yes there are 8-9 Rugby Union clubs in South Australia. But there isnt any incentive to stay there if there is No SA team.
 

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My ideal new world(southern hemisphere) order:

Super Rugby Pacific
-Blues
-Chiefs
-Hurricanes
-Crusaders
-Highlanders
-Reds
-Waratahs
-Brumbies
-Force
-Pacific Islands Team(based primarily in Fiji but also drawing on players and playing occasional home games in Samoa & Tonga)


Super Rugby Atlantic
-Bulls
-Lions
-Sharks
-Cheetahs
-Stormers
-Kings (probably need a re-brand)
-Jaguares (based in Buenos Aries)
-2nd Argentine side (based in the west primarily Mendoza but playing occasional home games in San Juan & Cordoba)

2 seperate leagues, this would mean no more ridiculous flights to the other end of the Earth, two smaller more competitive comps. No insane conference systems.

Not really needed but could be an option to have a Southern Hemisphere championship game each year too with played between the two comps champions, but that would come later down the line after the two comps have bedded in.
 

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My ideal new world(southern hemisphere) order:

Super Rugby Pacific
-Blues
-Chiefs
-Hurricanes
-Crusaders
-Highlanders
-Reds
-Waratahs
-Brumbies
-Force
-Pacific Islands Team(based primarily in Fiji but also drawing on players and playing occasional home games in Samoa & Tonga)


Super Rugby Atlantic
-Bulls
-Lions
-Sharks
-Cheetahs
-Stormers
-Kings (probably need a re-brand)
-Jaguares (based in Buenos Aries)
-2nd Argentine side (based in the west primarily Mendoza but playing occasional home games in San Juan & Cordoba)

2 seperate leagues, this would mean no more ridiculous flights to the other end of the Earth, two smaller more competitive comps. No insane conference systems.

Not really needed but could be an option to have a Southern Hemisphere championship game each year too with played between the two comps champions, but that would come later down the line after the two comps have bedded in.
You are missing the Mighty Sunwolves
 

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