Future Trades

[Shorty86]

on the past month's form, the Demon's have a better idea of what Coach Bailey's game plan is, while the skill level of the players is often criticized and cause a lot of turnovers, the Dee's have shown some great improvement from a few years back.

In saying that, do you think the Dee's should look at the possibility of trading for ex-Victorian players that are now either playing for interstate AFL teams or on the fringe of the best 22 in those sides? (obviously we should be targeting players who are versatile but can play in a certain position)

looking back on previous Drafts and those ex- victorian players who may be on the fringes at their interstate club like Scott Selwood, Mitchell Farmer, Travis Boak, Brent Reilly, Richard Douglas, Chris Knights, Ashley Hansen, Robbie Gray, etc without giving away key players going forward like Davey, Morton, Bennell, Mclean, etc and future first round picks????

 

[Dez!]

on the past month's form, the Demon's have a better idea of what Coach Bailey's game plan is, while the skill level of the players is often criticized and cause a lot of turnovers, the Dee's have shown some great improvement from a few years back.

In saying that, do you think the Dee's should look at the possibility of trading for ex-Victorian players that are now either playing for interstate AFL teams or on the fringe of the best 22 in those sides? (obviously we should be targeting players who are versatile but can play in a certain position)

looking back on previous Drafts and those ex- victorian players who may be on the fringes at their interstate club like Scott Selwood, Mitchell Farmer, Travis Boak, Brent Reilly, Richard Douglas, Chris Knights, Ashley Hansen, Robbie Gray, etc without giving away key players going forward like Davey, Morton, Bennell, Mclean, etc and future first round picks????

I believe we don't need players from any other club to build our list and the 3 I've have put in bold are not fringe players for their clubs (they are actually young players who look promising) and I'd doubt some of the others are fringe players either with the exception of Hansen.

What we've got now is good and we just need to put this finishing touches on the list this year then it's all about the development of the group as a team.

 

[RPetterd15]

Boak is definately not on the fringe at Port and Knights, Reilly wouldn't be at the Crows either but I see where you are getting at. It would be good if we could do that with players that are not going forward development wise. But most of our players are. Dunn, Sylvia, Bell would be the names that I would throw up but we haven't really tried Bell in his new role yet so i'm unsure with him. But we have to be careful with what we do with our players cause they could turn out to be guns at other clubs.

 

[goal sneak]

What Boak and Gray fringe players? Both are stars.

 

[master bate]

I can't see any of those players listed adding much to our team for what they will cost. I think there would be 3 positions we would genuinely consider giving up more than nothing for, unless a superstar indicates their desire to join us.

1. Tall forward - Maybe someone who has struggled at their original club but is worth a second chance. Must be under 22. A forward version of Stephen Gilham from the hawks.

2. Ruckman - Maybe we can go someone more experienced here say 25 or under to bolster our stocks. We have 4 guys who can play AFL, but one of them must take the next step if we are to win a flag. We may as well increase the number to 5.

3. Premiership winning experienced player.

That said I think we should continue with what we have, and hopefully if we finish somewhere mid table next year then we should look to trade some excesses for deficiencies.

 

[davey_magik]

I'll give you the rumor I've been hearing.

Thommo wants to return to Melbourne.

Not the city, the club.

Trade pick 17 for him please. He's out of contract at the end of this year IIRC.

 

[Dez!]

I'll give you the rumor I've been hearing.

Thommo wants to return to Melbourne.

Not the city, the club.

Trade pick 17 for him please. He's out of contract at the end of this year IIRC.

If you're referring to one Scott Thompson, then you can burn in hell or if that's bit harsh go sit in the corner.

No way in hell should he be brought back to the club.

 

[cannons]

If you're referring to one Scott Thompson, then you can burn in hell or if that's bit harsh go sit in the corner.

No way in hell should he be brought back to the club.

I would love to have a player of his quality at the club, especially if we only had to give up pick 17. In actuality, he's without question worth a top 10 pick. Of course, this is nothing but speculation, and the likelihood of such a trade going through is minimal.

 

[Beats]

I'll give you the rumor I've been hearing.

Thommo wants to return to Melbourne.

Not the city, the club.

Trade pick 17 for him please. He's out of contract at the end of this year IIRC.

I'd take him for 17, but he's worth more than that. Unless he bends the crows over the barrell like he did us there's no way that will be happening, although I do like it for say 17 + Mcnamara.

What I'm more interested is what would you give for Pav?
Realistically I'm looking at finals next year and top 4 in 2011.
He has about another 5 or so years of good footy left in him imo.
We have the money to get him, considering we paid 92.5%(minimum) of the salary cap and some people would have been front ended to make that happen.
Added to that what I'd consider to be some of our bigger earners will be retiring between now and his retirement meaning that there will still be money floating about.
We are a young team expected to make finals fairly soon.
We also (should) have the facilities, which is what (apparently ... $$$$) let us down on the Judd deal.

Personally I see a fair few similarities to the Judd deal.
West coast got Kennedy, #3 & #20 for Judd + #46.
Pav being 3 years older at the time of the trade Judd was 24/25, Pav will be 27/28 and Pav being of a slightly lesser profile would mean that obviously he is worth less.
#2/#3(whichever we get, PP is out of bounds) + swap of 2nd rounders(meaning they get higher, we get lower) + fringe player(Dunn, Bell etc)

Realistically I'd say that they would want 2 top 10 picks, however he probably isn't worth 2+18, 3+19 to us.

*Edit - I wouldn't do this unless we received the PP*

 

[Bartram_Class]

Don't want Thompson.

He is just a slightly better McLean/Moloney for mine.

Robbie Gray though, come on down, you star.

 

[The Wrecker]

The only temptation to trade will be if a young ruckman (ie Meesen/Warnock) or a fleet-of-foot midfielder (Alwyn Davey) becomes available.
If Melb. draft another tall forward and classy/pacy mid (Butcher & Scully) they are on track for league domination!

 

[RandB]

So we're locking in pick 17 are we?

 

[FOOOOTY]

be great if we could lure a top-liner to come to us in the PSD

 

[Beats]

So we're locking in pick 17 are we?

Hope not, that's last place but no PP...

 

[saj_21]

One of the worst threads started, why would we look to start trading when the youth we hav drafted the last 3 years is starting to look so promising.

I would only trade for more picks not for players. The players you mentioned are mostly young stars for other clubs and would come at premium price that i would not be willing to sacrifice.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Trading first round draft picks for mids is crazy.

Our only weakness is going to be our ruck options. I can see us needing to find an established talented ruckman. Its well documented they take as long if not longer than KPP to develop. If we where to pick one up in the next 2 years we are looking at 2015 before he becomes ‘elite’ and I think Melbourne should be looking for GF success prior. I’m not sold on Mees and Spencer; right now I think Jimmy could probably get the job done on both of them.

As others have said if Pav is available he is worth a look. For the right price, and only if we have the PP.

I’ve stated in other threads that he would prove the perfect foil over the next 5 years for Watts. It gives us the opportunity to establish a very J. Brown/A. Lynch esk combo. The upside to Pav is that he is still young enough that you could draft another first round KPF in the next 2-3 years and develop him whilst Pav is out on the park.

 

[KTLK]

So we're locking in pick 17 are we?

I don't it is Pick 17. MFC's 2nd rounder will be Pick 19 because Richmond will get Pick 18 as priority pick.

Melbourne Pick 1 (Priority Pick), Pick 2 (Round 1) ------> Richmond Pick 18 (Priority Pick) -------> Melbourne Pick 19 (second rounder)

 

[KTLK]

The only temptation to trade will be if a young ruckman (ie Meesen/Warnock) or a fleet-of-foot midfielder (Alwyn Davey) becomes available.
If Melb. draft another tall forward and classy/pacy mid (Butcher & Scully) they are on track for league domination![/quote]


Agree. This is where Pick 1 & 2 are normally untouchable.

 

[Future Star]

I think that we will be looking at trading a few players at the end of this year. Players that arnt going to be in our best 22 and are not young enough to be depth players should be looked at being traded. However i would prefer more draft picks than getting a player who just gets a game in another team. But a young ruckman/ key forward would be worth trading one of our older players not in our 22 for.

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

I won't trade for any ex Demons players....

Unless it's Allan Jakovich.

 

[unstable punt]

I believe we don't need players from any other club to build our list and the 3 I've have put in bold are not fringe players for their clubs (they are actually young players who look promising) and I'd doubt some of the others are fringe players either with the exception of Hansen.

What we've got now is good and we just need to put this finishing touches on the list this year then it's all about the development of the group as a team.

l'd rather have Paul Prymke before Hansen

 

[RandB]

I don't it is Pick 17. MFC's 2nd rounder will be Pick 19 because Richmond will get Pick 18 as priority pick.

Melbourne Pick 1 (Priority Pick), Pick 2 (Round 1) ------> Richmond Pick 18 (Priority Pick) -------> Melbourne Pick 19 (second rounder)

That is definitely the more likely scenario.

 

[KTLK]

That is definitely the more likely scenario.

Thanks RandB,

This mean, MFC will get:

Pick 1, 2 (very likely to be Butcher & Scully), 19, 35, 51, 67 etc.

I doubt Pick 67 will be use because of the PSD.

In this case, 6 players have to delisted and or traded.

 

[Future Star]

As well as this Spencer will probably earn a promotion and a decision will need to be made on Valenti

 

[Crimson Azure]

As well as this Spencer will probably earn a promotion and a decision will need to be made on Valenti

Not that I'm suggesting we should, but can we trade a rookie listed player?

Or is that not an option? I wouldn't think so.

If he is not good enough to be elavated then what are the options & how long can a player remain a rookie?