Gambling ads to be banned- potential replacement?

[JackOutback]

The will probably be able to get it through with Xenophon support. I think Labor may have been cautiously supporting it, not sure, and for some reason the Greens opposing (guessing for some other part of the bill)

The Greens are opposing the media ownership rules, particularly the two-out-of-three companies and 65% reach rules. That said, i can see this getting through, even if people like Xenophon would like more done. It's a start.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Thank god, I hate the nanny state and also enjoy gambling but the total saturation of gambling adds is terrible. If I had kids I would hate them watching the football being bombarded non stop with gambling propaganda. It's like these betting agencies are having a challenge to see how much they can carpet bomb the entire telecast with their ads before the government is forced to step in and do something

competition is a better word

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

You have cited a secondary source, which does not reference a study for that figure and your source is funded by the NSW Government who have a conflict of interest here. Fail.

Provide a proper source please.

I would have thought a government funded gambling help site would be biased towards making the problem seem worse.

very hard to justify government funding for a problem that affects so few people....

 

[TheKanga]

Less than 1% of australians are problem gamblers

64% of australians are obese.

Same bucket you say? One is a teaspoon and the other an olympic sized swimming pool.

Point is...everyone over reacts to s**t like gambling, as if its The biggest problem we have, meanwhile everyones happily sucking down sugar and fat courtesy of the same type of sponsorships and marketing.

Where do you get 1% from that seems awfully low from what ive witnessed.
Also many people are gambling addicts but never admit to themselves or others for years.

 

[TheKanga]

Google gambling statistics. 0.5% - 1% have gambling issues.

Why, how many problem gamblers do you think are in australia?

http://www.problemgambling.net.au/ausgambling.html

Id hazard a guess of more like 10-15% we are the biggest punters in the world and the biggest losers.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Gambling and gambling ads on their own aren't the big issue for me.

Growing up having a bet was either the Melbourne Cup sweep , or with your mates over who would talk to the hot chick. Anything else meant heading into the TAB. Full of cigarette butts and smoke and creepy old men standing around muttering into their racing guide as they screamed at the radio , yes radio, broadcasting the 'next up from Dapto, all clear at Wagga, ' races.

The TAB were also reasonably strict about letting kids bet.

Now betting is a click away on a persons phone. I don't know when or if the legislation changed but I had always thought minors couldn't bet or they couldn't take the winnings. Its the ease of betting that concerns me the most. Its how widespread it is. Betting on races in South Africa then switching to a 4th round tennis match out of Uzbekhistan followed by 2nd Div soccer in J-League. Its just click click click no care.

Minors still can't bet, but with EBTs and internet betting it's easier for them to access now. All you need is a fake ID in your own name to set up the account and away you go.

The bolded part is me on a Sat night

 

[the harry]

Id hazard a guess of more like 10-15% we are the biggest punters in the world and the biggest losers.

Do you work in a related industry or have any basis at all from the 10-15% claim? That's a huge number! Especially when referring to gambling rather than the pokies, which are far, far worse.

 

[Dixie Normous]

What is a worse addiction to have - gambling or food?

Either one would be terrible and I feel for anyone that has either,

I guess gambling addicts have adrenaline and chronic anxiety 24/7, whereas food addicts look and feel like obese fatsos

 

[The 747]

Do you work in a related industry or have any basis at all from the 10-15% claim? That's a huge number! Especially when referring to gambling rather than the pokies, which are far, far worse.

Er how are the pokies not gambling?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Hate gambling too many victims

 

[the harry]

Er how are the pokies not gambling?

Because you can never win. The longer you play the more certain you'll lose. People can actually win on sports and racing.

 

[The 747]

Because you can never win. The longer you play the more certain you'll lose. People can actually win on sports and racing.

You do understand that if you win more than you lose with an online agency you get banned right?

Yes it is possible to win on sports and racing, in the short term. In the long term only arbitrage wins. It's the same as the pokies, its just a longer con.

 

[Gigantic]

What is a worse addiction to have - gambling or food?

Either one would be terrible and I feel for anyone that has either,

I guess gambling addicts have adrenaline and chronic anxiety 24/7, whereas food addicts look and feel like obese fatsos

Gambling addiction has potential to impact others around you i.e. family, dependants etc. Eating addiction for the most part just affects the person, and even then not everyone with an eating addiction is obese, but then again not everyone with a gambling addiction is a problem gambler

 

[the harry]

You do understand that if you win more than you lose with an online agency you get banned right?

Yes it is possible to win on sports and racing, in the short term. In the long term only arbitrage wins. It's the same as the pokies, its just a longer con.

No it isn't. Pokies are a computer program that will generate profit for the owner, guaranteed. It is possible for bookmakers to lose and go bust.

So the maths is actually totally different.

Some agencies keep people on as a price mark too, just with lower limits.

Otherwise use betfair.

 

[footyboi1]

Id hazard a guess of more like 10-15% we are the biggest punters in the world and the biggest losers.

Its not that I dont believe u, we just need proof.....64% of people understand that....

 

[dave123]

Google gambling statistics. 0.5% - 1% have gambling issues.

Why, how many problem gamblers do you think are in australia?

http://www.problemgambling.net.au/ausgambling.html

I call bullshit

Sorry it's a lot higher than that ...those stats are only recorded when people present for help

Most don't

 

[footyboi1]

I call bullshit

Sorry it's a lot higher than that ...those stats are only recorded when people present for help

Most don't

statistical analysis considers the non-reporting components of the dataset aswell. Same with stuff like mental health, they dont just count surveyed people who present to a healthcare professional as that would be an under-reperesentation, the percentages are based on undiagnosed estimates aswell, considering the presented cases and other primary and secondary data sources.

The highest government backed number i can find online is that 500,000 are 'at risk', or are already problem gamblers. But this figure also considers those who are 'not yet' problem gamblers. So this is approx 2% of population and is already an overinflated number.

Those saying the number is 10-15% are basically saying results of comissioned studies into problem gambling are out by 10-12x and that their 'anecdotal evidence' or personal estimate is better.

I doubt it.


https://www.dss.gov.au/communities-and-vulnerable-people/programmes-services/gambling

 

[dave123]

statistical analysis considers the non-reporting components of the dataset aswell. Same with stuff like mental health, they dont just count surveyed people who present to a healthcare professional as that would be an under-reperesentation, the percentages are based on undiagnosed estimates aswell, considering the presented cases and other primary and secondary data sources.

The highest government backed number i can find online is that 500,000 are 'at risk', or are already problem gamblers. But this figure also considers those who are 'not yet' problem gamblers. So this is approx 2% of population and is already an overinflated number.

Those saying the number is 10-15% are basically saying results of comissioned studies into problem gambling are out by 10-12x and that their 'anecdotal evidence' or personal estimate is better.

I doubt it.


https://www.dss.gov.au/communities-and-vulnerable-people/programmes-services/gambling

Also,the government sets the standard for what it defines "problems gambling"

People losing a few hundred bucks a weekend probably isn't classed as problematic ...yet I see that as highly problematic.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

About time they were put on the restricted list. It is wrong for kids to be taught that gambling is part of sport, let them make an informed decision later in life. Hard to believe that it has taken this long to clamp down on it.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

Because you can never win. The longer you play the more certain you'll lose. People can actually win on sports and racing.

Yes and no. Pokies you do win but they rely on the addiction to make you spin again, and again.

Sports betting is rigged also. If you win too much they limit the bets you can put on, I know a number of people who have basically been banned for winning by various sports bet agencies. The odds are very heavily stacked in their favor, its just a mathematical equation. Why do you think every major betting agency in the world comes to Australia?

 

[dave123]

Imevkon the government would define a problem gambler as someone who is accessining counselling or someone in a mini financial crisis.

Gambling $200-400 a weekend while then,kids don't go on outings is a problem yet wouldn't be definded as probalamtic .....and that's the issue

The govt and the afl is not going to set that as probalamatic while the dollars roll into coffers each week

 

[underthestars]

Don't have a problem with gambling per se. It can be a decent form of recreation - better than drinking at a pub. My son was interested in the casino - loves number crunching. So i thought better i teach him. we researched all the gaming odds and strategies. most important of course was stop at your limit. Had 10 nights out, and after all expenses including food (don't drink) we are down $50 in total - pretty cheap (blackjack and craps only).
What i don't agree with is advertising gambling (like drinking or smoking it is an adults recreation that carries a fair degree of risk) during family events like sport.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Gambling addiction has potential to impact others around you i.e. family, dependants etc. Eating addiction for the most part just affects the person, and even then not everyone with an eating addiction is obese, but then again not everyone with a gambling addiction is a problem gambler

they put a rat in a cage with 2 bottles of water (one laced with cocaine). once that rat tasted cocaine, he kept going back to the cocaine bottle until he died. there was a second bigger cage with multiple rats, toys, obstacles etc. the only thing that was the same was the same 2 bottles of water. in that cage there was no noticeable propensity to go for the cocaine water over the normal water.

addiction is less about the particular substance/activity and more about the individual person's need to connect/engage with something and a person has this need then they'll be drawn to anything that can help them do that. many studies show that problem gamblers are more likely to be single/divorced as well as drinkers/smokers etc. loneliness has been cited as a big root cause (among others) of problem gambling.

that's the difference between someone who can have a punt on melbourne cup and not think about gambling again, compared to someone who can turn that into a snowball of complete self destruction...

 

[B4Bear]

About time. There is something quite sad that my then 5 year old could tell who the favourite in a game was because some pusher was either on the tv or big screen at the game spruiking the odds.

Parasites the lot of em. As for Ladbrokes, go back to England where you belong.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Don't have a problem with gambling per se. It can be a decent form of recreation - better than drinking at a pub. My son was interested in the casino - loves number crunching. So i thought better i teach him. we researched all the gaming odds and strategies. most important of course was stop at your limit. Had 10 nights out, and after all expenses including food (don't drink) we are down $50 in total - pretty cheap (blackjack and craps only).
What i don't agree with is advertising gambling (like drinking or smoking it is an adults recreation that carries a fair degree of risk) during family events like sport.

casino betting is like the pokies (without the addictive interface) there's no skill to identifying value. there's no reason to think that one 3-1 shot has any more/less chance of occurring than another 3-1 shot.

there is however a skill to identifying value in sports betting, which is why i think it's inherently different to other types of gambling and the propensity to abuse is much smaller.

the bookies will ban you if you win too much. i've never heard of anyone being kicked out of the pokies for that reason....