How long have we really been rebuilding?It might only be NAB cup which can be deceiving but we look soooo raw, at least 3 years off being a top 4 side which is kinda disappointing considering how long we have been rebuilding.
Sellar, Mackay, Gill and Campbell were out picks also that year and we missed out on Bryce Squibs F/S pick. I would rate that as 2/5 for us even though Sellar did show a bit for a while before becoming a list clogger.24: Tippett
Some of the ill-informed commentary about Taylor Walker stems from the fact that under an anomaly in the rules he was 17 years and 6 months when he was promoted onto our senior list in the 2007 draft. That's right, he was 4 months younger than Brad Crouch when he was "drafted" in last years draft and 16 months younger than Brodie Smith when he was drafted in 2010.Some of the comments on here regarding Walker are laughable... Absolutely ridiculous to say he is not best 22....
The kid is only 21 years old and has played 45 games as a KPF...
Lets compare the stats off his first three seasons to the stats of the previous 4 winners of the coleman medal in their first 3 seasons:
Taylor Walker - 45 games - 2 goals per game / 1.3 behinds per game
Stats per game - 10.4 kicks / 3.3 handballs / 4.4 marks / 1.4 tackles
Jonathan Brown - 57 games - 1 goal per game / 1.5 behinds per game
Stats per game - 7.7 kicks / 4.5 handballs / 5.2 marks / 1.0 tackles
Brenden Fevola - 41 games (4 seasons) - 1.6 goals per game / 1.58 behinds
Stats per game - 6.1 kicks / 1.7 handballs / 4.4 marks / 1.0 tackles
Jack Riewoldt - 46 games - 1.3 goals per game / 0.82 behinds
Stats per game - 7.8 kicks / 3.1 handballs / 5.1 marks / 2.1 tackles
Buddy Franklin - 56 games - 2.2 goals per game / 1.5 behinds
Stats per game - 7.8 kicks / 3.9 handballs / 4.4 marks / 2.0 tackles
Also - for the record... All of the above players had there 'breakout' year in their 4th season of playing AFL footy (except Fev whose was in his 5th yr)...
I reckon thats a pretty harsh score considering the picks we had. Yes, Sellar at pick 10 was a bit of a waste, but Tippett and MacKay are 2 of our best players when fit. What would you rate a 5/5?Sellar, Mackay, Gill and Campbell were out picks also that year and we missed out on Bryce Squibs F/S pick. I would rate that as 2/5 for us even though Sellar did show a bit for a while before becoming a list clogger.
The positives from the games, the forward movement rather than backwards/sideways till you turn it over and Stiffy looking fit and firing instead of looking rusty for 4-6 rounds.
Negative, Hendo still hearing footsteps and Tex's efforts which may be gastro related, dominates at SANFL and is yet to find the switch in the big leauge, we get patches of it.
Still only round 1 of a forgetable comp. Wins are wins though
Sandos interview on fiveaa covered the gastro.Would have been nice to hear something official from the club about the gastro sweeping the team. Probably decided it'd be best to keep it under wraps to avoid looking like sore losers (if we had lost). Hoping that was all that was holding Walker back - though it could have been Tom Lynch's pizza!
Yeah I didn't really think that it was the end of the world either, it's very easy to bump someone heavier than you, off they're of balance. I don't think Tex even fell over.On the phillips bump on walker.. are people shitting me getting upset about that? He had just beaten the much chunkier (than phillips) chaplin and left him on the ground and was a fraction off balance. sheesh.
Yep. From a martial arts perspective it is far easier to throw someone taller and bigger than you than someone smaller than you provided you can get them off the balance (as you need to do if you throw anyone) cause you can get below their centre of gravity. Far harder for the bigger guys to throw the smller guys and girls unless they are using pure brute strength rather than good technique and even then you're going to throw someone better with good technique rather than brute strength. As a chick I haven't played competetive footy but I can see how a smaller guy can bump a bigger guy who is off balance by getting in low below their centre of gravity (having spent a fair bit of time throwing the big guys around at training)Sandos interview on fiveaa covered the gastro.
Yeah I didn't really think that it was the end of the world either, it's very easy to bump someone heavier than you, off they're of balance. I don't think Tex even fell over.
I thought tex had a couple of lazy moments but also ha some good moments. North western hff/wing where he was on the mark, Gray and someone else tried to create a spare man, tex was extremely close to spoiling it and put good pressure on them.
Unfortunately Carey is unable to teach anyone anything.As far as Taylor Walker goes, why doesn't the club just get Wayne Carey over to teach him everything he knows ( obviously not everything, we don't need Tex rooting Van Berlos missus).
I mean if there was ever someone who used to crash a pack hard and make second efforts to go with his incredible talent, it was Carey and surely Tex would be willing to listen to such a legend as the King.
FFS, he's an ex player who has time on his hands, get him over as a part time specialist role, even if it is just to spend two hours, one day a week in the kids ear
Spot on with Tip, amazing player.retracting my comments re: tippett not being as good as same were saying.
Showed up even better on replay how good a contest he provided at CHF. V good showing and what was critical to me was not did he just clunk few rippers, he always always brought it down in front. The timing of the runners hitting his feet will improve but there were already good signs there IMO. Will not be beaten in a marking contest very often.
On the phillips bump on walker.. are people shitting me getting upset about that? He had just beaten the much chunkier (than phillips) chaplin and left him on the ground and was a fraction off balance. sheesh.
Yes I am fairly harsh. 5/5 when we get 5 first 22 players from draft/rookies, I guess that makes me harsh.I reckon thats a pretty harsh score considering the picks we had. Yes, Sellar at pick 10 was a bit of a waste, but Tippett and MacKay are 2 of our best players when fit. What would you rate a 5/5?
I do Vader. I got to witness first hand at the MCG what a sh*t performance he put in with his last ever game for us. If he was outside the forward 50 he didn't care. Tex was chasing to the last line of defence on the weekend and he has done that before for us.
Completely unrealistic is more like it.Yes I am fairly harsh. 5/5 when we get 5 first 22 players from draft/rookies, I guess that makes me harsh.
So it was ok for Blighty to criticise a gifted talent like Modra for not chasing but Craigy was not allowed to criticise Walker for not chasing?that was one of his main criticisms by blightly from what I recall all about 2nd efforts.
that being said, it could have just been another excuse.
I always think to break even you need 3 long-term, best 22 players per draft year. Presumably those players that are good enough take a few years to really come in an establish themselves, by which time they are 20, and then perhaps they play for another eight years on average (taking into account careers cut short by injury, etc).Completely unrealistic is more like it.
Considering only about half the squad make the best 22 then a more realistic expectation is for about half draftees to make the best 22 consistently.
Even this is off the mark as most players that are lost each year are the ones that cannot make the 22. Only about 1 in 4 draftees end up consistently making the best 22.
So 2 from 5 is quite reasonable and definitely a pass (except Sellar should never have been picked in the first place but that is another matter).
Even if by some chance the recruiters fluke 5/5 one year it might be reasonable to expect 0/5 the year later.
There are only 22 spots and only the best players end up there.
It is mathematically impossible for all draftees every year to end up in the best 22, which is what some here seem to expect as the standard.
It also neglects the varying draft strengths from one year to the next.
Cut the recruiters some slack, guys. Tippett and Mackay were great pickups.