TV Game of Thrones Season 6 - non book readers *no spoilers until show airs*

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So will Jon stay in Winterfell or leave for the wall?Will Davos call out the red woman or realise that they need her for the Long game?


Hopefully they get answered in the next episode
 

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I know a lot of people are fapping over this episode, but I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed. From a cinematography perspective, it was fantastic. The battle scenes were amazingly well executed, particularly the scene where Jon was suffocating. Fantastic...

The problem lies with the plot. The whole thing was telegraphed a mile out. Was there a single viewer anywhere who didn't expect to see Littlefinger come riding to the rescue, when all appeared to be lost? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Didn't think so. The whole Riders of Rohan moment was obvious weeks ago, as soon as we knew this battle was coming, after Sansa met Littlefinger in the barn.

Similarly, is there anyone who didn't think the Masters' fleet was doomed as soon as Dany returned to Mereen with Drogon in tow? Wooden ships & dragons do not mix, and it's very rare that the contest will favour the maritime forces. Once again, telegraphed and obvious.

Having Ramsey eaten by his dogs wasn't as obvious, and it was definitely poetic justice. Then again, we knew he was going to die. We just didn't know how it would happen (until he opened his mouth in the pre-battle confrontation).

I expect more from GoT, not obvious developments that are telegraphed from miles out. For example, who (book readers aside) would have predicted the ending to the Viper/Mountain battle? That's the difference between having D&D working from Martin's material, and having to fudge it together themselves.
Being a bit harsh there I think

The only way they could have avoiding telegraphing the Vale showing up would have been to remove all the scenes involving littlefinger as they were the ones giving it away. Doing that would have also undermined sansas character development because she's now become someone who isn't waiting for other people to do things as is actively looking after her own interests to the point where she didn't trust her own brother enough to tell him what she was doing

And whilst I was fully expecting the vale to turn up, I did get to the point where I genuinely thought it wasn't going to happen and that Ramsay had successfully outwitted Jon by being a campaigner - using rickon to ruin jons focus and draw him into the open field and then being prepared to sacrifice his own men in the field
 

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I was think the same thing. You gotta make it as hard as possible for Ramsey to hit you. Plus, change the speed of your running.
Gotta take into account he has been probably been captive and underfed for a while though

But yeah either way not smart on his end
 
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the other thing is, the quickest way between two points is a straight line. You're panicking, you're running, zigzagging is expending more energy and running further. Sure it might make sense when you're watching but he can be excused for not having a honed rational approach...
 

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yeah i like all of you wanted rick to run in a random pattern. but let's face it, when fear takes over you just run like the clappers without any thought.
Not to mention that Ramsay had an army of archers at his disposal should a single arrow fail to get the job done and rickon didn't have the same protective force field that Jon seemed to have
 

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Don't blame Jon for falling into Ramsay's trap. He went to that battle knowing he was going die and was just fighting for honour, if only someone close to him had knowledge that one of the most powerful armies in Westeros was coming to his aid he might've acted differently.

Rickon not running in a zigzag is a bit annoying, but if he did zigzag Ramsay probably would've just got every archer to fire at him instead.

It'll be interesting to see what littlefinger does from here. I'm not completely convinced the Stark army is as weak as a few reckon. It's been mentioned a few times that a lot of North houses were scared of the Boltons and what would happen to them if they were on the wrong side of a battle against them, so with the Boltons out of the way I wouldn't be surprised to see the North rally to the Starks again.

+1 for where da fuq is Ghost. Not that he should have been in the battle, not the go for a direwolf but at least have a shot of him at camp with Jon beforehand or something
I'm sure in earlier episode they mentioned Grey Wind being quite deadly in Rob Starks battles.

Looks like some of the 62 men made it to Winterfell
 

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The thing I'm most gutted about is that we didn't see Rickon, Osha and Shaggydog for so long I expected them to eventually make a big return and have some sort of significance but all 3 seemed to have died sudden and meaningless deaths. **** you Ramsey
 
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I keep thinking about that moment between when Rickon died and Jon decided to charge.

If he turned tail and went back to his battlements, would that have affected his troops morale? How was he going to goad Ramsay into charging now with the whole Bolton army laughing at him?

I think he realised he ****** up and just went "in for a penny, in for a pound" and had to Leroy Jenkins it.
 

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There might not have been technically any twists but as someone mentioned earlier there were a few times when I thought Jon was a goner.

Especially right at the start, I thought he was going to die at the hands of the charging cavalry - dropping his belt to the ground and facing them with his sword appeared symbolic of a last stand, and with Sansa still at the back to lead the Stark rebellion it seemed very possible the battle could kick off with Jon dying without it necessarily meaning the war was lost.

And there were moments when that phalanx was closing in where I thought guys like Jon and Tormund were going to die regardless of whether the Vale arrived or not. They did a great job of showing what a hopeless situation it was trying to smash up against the shields in that formation.
 

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I keep thinking about that moment between when Rickon died and Jon decided to charge.

If he turned tail and went back to his battlements, would that have affected his troops morale? How was he going to goad Ramsay into charging now with the whole Bolton army laughing at him?

I think he realised he stuffed up and just went "in for a penny, in for a pound" and had to Leroy Jenkins it.
Remember the priest who brought back Beric said that every time he gets brought back to life some part of him is missing. Maybe with Jon he's missing the fear of death? Hence why he was so set on just charging and taking Winterfell rather than waiting, then him charging at the Bolton army on his own
 

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Being a bit harsh there I think

The only way they could have avoiding telegraphing the Vale showing up would have been to remove all the scenes involving littlefinger as they were the ones giving it away. Doing that would have also undermined sansas character development because she's now become someone who isn't waiting for other people to do things as is actively looking after her own interests to the point where she didn't trust her own brother enough to tell him what she was doing
Yeah, they really couldn't have had the Vale turning up out of the blue without that foreshadowing. If they'd tried that in the name of a 'twist' it would just have come across as a ridiculously contrived deus ex machina.
 

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and on the whole Sansa telling Jon about the Vale - I would say it's as simple as she didn't know. Not for sure. She'd sent a raven asking for Littlefinger's help, but that was from Castle Black, and they left shortly afterwards - so it's logical to assume at best she was hoping for the Vale to turn up, and had no way of expecting it. Given that, what's she going to tell Jon? "Um, we may have an out here. But we may not. You know the guy who married me to Ramsey? Well, I've asked him for help. Who knows, he has an army I think. Maybe they'll get here in time?"
She rode into battle with Littlefinger, wasn't there when Jon's idiocy started to get them into trouble. Think she knew more than she let on...
 

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Being a bit harsh there I think

The only way they could have avoiding telegraphing the Vale showing up would have been to remove all the scenes involving littlefinger as they were the ones giving it away. Doing that would have also undermined sansas character development because she's now become someone who isn't waiting for other people to do things as is actively looking after her own interests to the point where she didn't trust her own brother enough to tell him what she was doing

And whilst I was fully expecting the vale to turn up, I did get to the point where I genuinely thought it wasn't going to happen and that Ramsay had successfully outwitted Jon by being a campaigner - using rickon to ruin jons focus and draw him into the open field and then being prepared to sacrifice his own men in the field
They didn't have to have the Vale turn up at the very last second, as per the Riders of Rohan. They could have had them join the order of battle overnight - still would have been a nasty surprise for Ramsey, without the faux surprise when they arrived to save the day.
 

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I think he realised he stuffed up and just went "in for a penny, in for a pound" and had to Leroy Jenkins it.
Not gonna lie, when Jon charged, I was screaming Leeroy Jenkins in my head haha.
 
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Yeah, they really couldn't have had the Vale turning up out of the blue without that foreshadowing. If they'd tried that in the name of a 'twist' it would just have come across as a ridiculously contrived deus ex machina.
If you're going to have a twist, you don't telegraph it. Having foreshadowed the Vale's involvement, trying to use it as a twist was just plain stupid. It didn't work.
 

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Yeah, they really couldn't have had the Vale turning up out of the blue without that foreshadowing. If they'd tried that in the name of a 'twist' it would just have come across as a ridiculously contrived deus ex machina.
Did they foreshadow Stannis smashing the Wildlings at the end of season 4?
 

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If you're going to have a twist, you don't telegraph it. Having foreshadowed the Vale's involvement, trying to use it as a twist was just plain stupid. It didn't work.
Except they didnt try to use it as a twist?
 
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