TV Game of Thrones Season 6 - non book readers *no spoilers until show airs*

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"I'm a part of you now." Telling comment from Ramsey to Princess that will have further repercussions. With all she's gone through you would think she'll be a little tapped in the head from now on.

Also, Yara's arse :thumbsu:

Yara's face :thumbsdown:
 

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They didn't have to have the Vale turn up at the very last second, as per the Riders of Rohan. They could have had them join the order of battle overnight - still would have been a nasty surprise for Ramsey, without the faux surprise when they arrived to save the day.
If you're going to have a twist, you don't telegraph it. Having foreshadowed the Vale's involvement, trying to use it as a twist was just plain stupid. It didn't work.
It was a twist insofar as neither Jon or Ramsay had any inkling the Vale were on their way so their decisions were framed without that knowledge. Had either of them known what was to come their entire battle plans would have changed and the entire dynamic of the episode would have been altered.

As an audience the twist was in the timing so we were unaware at what point they'd show up and now we are questioning why Sansa withheld the information from Jon

It wasn't a didn't see that coming moment like Ned's beheading, the red wedding, Joffery's choke or Oberyn getting his skull crushed but those were much easier to pull off as blindsides from a writing POV.
 
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She rode into battle with Littlefinger, wasn't there when Jon's idiocy started to get them into trouble. Think she knew more than she let on...
she wasn't there when Jon's idiocy got them into trouble? Not disputing this, but how do you know that? I assumed she was just up the back out of harms way where you'd expect an untrained lady to be. And she certainly didn't ride into battle with Littlefinger. She was there with him as the Vale charged, sure but that was after the horns had played, and presumably the first place Littlefinger would go would be to her.

How do you propose she knew? The show showed us writing a letter for a raven from Castle Black - it never showed us her receiving one. Obviously that may well be just for the dramatic effect, but I'm not sure how you can assume she did. Where do you propose she got the message? Ravens aren't magic. I can't believe they stayed at Castle Black long enough for a raven to fly to the Vale, and another to fly back, before they set off on the great Northern tour to rally the houses?

It may be just as simple though as she had no reason to think Littlefinger would possibly refuse I guess; but again on the timing thing - but that's tv innit
 

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Was Sansa disappointed when she saw Jon alive as soon as the knights of the vale charged?

She was happy enough to give up on Rickon earlier in the episode, He would have the strongest claims to be the king of the north, And Jon 2nd best.

I feel Jon's biggest threat now is Sansa as she is 100% power hungry, Ramsey said he will always be a part of her and he's right, She's on a path that he created by taking her innocence if you will.

And to be honest I don't think Jon wants to be the king of the north it's all forced on him as he's so widely respected.
 

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Can someone remind me what Cersei's trial is for and what she performed the walk of atonement for?

Were they one and the same or separate charges?
When Qyburn vistited her in her cell he said she was charged with incest and killing Robert Baratheon. She eventually confessed to sleeping with Lancel, so her walk was kind of for that, but it's also to let her leave her cell until the trial I think.
 
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Was Sansa disappointed when she saw Jon alive as soon as the knights of the vale charged?

She was happy enough to give up on Rickon earlier in the episode, He would have the strongest claims to be the king of the north, And Jon 2nd best.

I feel Jon's biggest threat now is Sansa as she is 100% power hungry, Ramsey said he will always be a part of her and he's right, She's on a path that he created by taking her innocence if you will.

And to be honest I don't think Jon wants to be the king of the north it's all forced on him as he's so widely respected.
Jon has no claim at all. He would have to be legitimised by King Tommen.
 

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one thing I picked up on a second viewing

When Sansa spoke to Ramsay at the end she said "your dogs haven't been fed for 7 days - you said so yourself"

Yet she told Ramsay he was going to die tomorrow and rode off before he made mention of the dogs

And as I was typing the above it dawned on me that she was pretty confident that Ramsay would die the next day - Sansa knew the Vale was coming
 

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she wasn't there when Jon's idiocy got them into trouble? Not disputing this, but how do you know that? I assumed she was just up the back out of harms way where you'd expect an untrained lady to be. And she certainly didn't ride into battle with Littlefinger. She was there with him as the Vale charged, sure but that was after the horns had played, and presumably the first place Littlefinger would go would be to her.

How do you propose she knew? The show showed us writing a letter for a raven from Castle Black - it never showed us her receiving one. Obviously that may well be just for the dramatic effect, but I'm not sure how you can assume she did. Where do you propose she got the message? Ravens aren't magic. I can't believe they stayed at Castle Black long enough for a raven to fly to the Vale, and another to fly back, before they set off on the great Northern tour to rally the houses?

It may be just as simple though as she had no reason to think Littlefinger would possibly refuse I guess; but again on the timing thing - but that's tv innit
There was no footage of her in the pre-battle scenes. There was footage of Davo, Jon, Wun Wun, and Thormund. There was also footage of her riding around the corner with the knights...

As for evidence of communication... All we saw was the first letter. A fair bit of time passed between the letter and the battle. If there hadn't been any further communication then the Vale's riders wouldn't have known where & when the battle was to take place. OK, it was always going to be near Winterfell, but north/south/east/west of the castle? Which day? All signs point to an ongoing correspondence, with the aim of coordinating the Vale's participation in the battle.

Also note that the ravens didn't have to fly all the way to the Vale. Remember that Littlefinger told her where he'd positioned his forces (Moat Cailen I think). As for the flight time factor.. all characters seem to have been given access to a teleport device and/or TARDIS this season, so that really shouldn't be any great surprise.
 

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Was Sansa disappointed when she saw Jon alive as soon as the knights of the vale charged?

She was happy enough to give up on Rickon earlier in the episode, He would have the strongest claims to be the king of the north, And Jon 2nd best.

I feel Jon's biggest threat now is Sansa as she is 100% power hungry, Ramsey said he will always be a part of her and he's right, She's on a path that he created by taking her innocence if you will.

And to be honest I don't think Jon wants to be the king of the north it's all forced on him as he's so widely respected.
Bran is the rightful heir at this stage, as the oldest surviving son of Ned Stark. Bran was the heir, even before Rickon was killed.
 

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There was no footage of her in the pre-battle scenes. There was footage of Davo, Jon, Wun Wun, and Thormund. There was also footage of her riding around the corner with the knights...

As for evidence of communication... All we saw was the first letter. A fair bit of time passed between the letter and the battle. If there hadn't been any further communication then the Vale's riders wouldn't have known where & when the battle was to take place. OK, it was always going to be near Winterfell, but north/south/east/west of the castle? Which day? All signs point to an ongoing correspondence, with the aim of coordinating the Vale's participation in the battle.

Also note that the ravens didn't have to fly all the way to the Vale. Remember that Littlefinger told her where he'd positioned his forces (Moat Cailen I think). As for the flight time factor.. all characters seem to have been given access to a teleport device and/or TARDIS this season, so that really shouldn't be any great surprise.
Time is not linear in GoT!!
 

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Bran is the rightful heir at this stage, as the oldest surviving son of Ned Stark. Bran was the heir, even before Rickon was killed.
Absolutely but he's long gone as far as they're concerned.

Jon, Sansa, Bran and Arya are right now in a perfect position to be together again at Winterfell, Wonder if it plays out like this.
 
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They didn't have to have the Vale turn up at the very last second, as per the Riders of Rohan. They could have had them join the order of battle overnight - still would have been a nasty surprise for Ramsey, without the faux surprise when they arrived to save the day.
Yep and I think this is the third time an army has arrived in the nick of time which is a bit annoying considering how often the show gives you "this isn't a fairy tale" moments.

For what it's worth, the other two times I can remember are the Lanister Army at The Battle of the Blackwater, and the Stannis Army when Jon was fighting the Wildlings North of the wall.
 

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This is true, but Bran is long dead as far as they all know
The thought that Rickon was dead too. Then he turned out to be alive. Given that Bran & Rickon were supposedly killed at the same time, there's no reason now for them to believe that Bran is dead. He's just MIA.
 

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I'm going to address the elephant in the room. Obviously we keep hearing that time isn't linear on GoT, but where were the weather conditions?
I thought the whole premise of Stannis going up against Ramsay under prepared was to beat the impending arrival of winter. I thought winter was already here now that the white walkers were gaining power. So how did this battle take place in the middle of a Dornish summer?
I guess I'm just wondering where the snow was at, & I don't mean Jon I mean the 10ft deep stuff that broke Theon & Sansa's fall at the same place a few eps back.
 

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I'm going to address the elephant in the room. Obviously we keep hearing that time isn't linear on GoT, but where were the weather conditions?
I thought the whole premise of Stannis going up against Ramsay under prepared was to beat the impending arrival of winter. I thought winter was already here now that the white walkers were gaining power. So how did this battle take place in the middle of a Dornish summer?
I guess I'm just wondering where the snow was at, & I don't mean Jon I mean the 10ft deep stuff that broke Theon & Sansa's fall at the same place a few eps back.
Well obviously Homer got the Winterfell contract.

 

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Didn't Sam tell Jon that he ran into Bran

I'm going to address the elephant in the room. Obviously we keep hearing that time isn't linear on GoT, but where were the weather conditions?
I thought the whole premise of Stannis going up against Ramsay under prepared was to beat the impending arrival of winter. I thought winter was already here now that the white walkers were gaining power. So how did this battle take place in the middle of a Dornish summer?
I guess I'm just wondering where the snow was at, & I don't mean Jon I mean the 10ft deep stuff that broke Theon & Sansa's fall at the same place a few eps back.
When Shireen was sacrificed to help Stannis the weather instantly warmed up and the ice and snow started melting.
Or alternatively in a world where season lengths can vary by years, predicting when Winter has truly arrived (as opposed to Autumn) could be pretty tricky.
 
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They tried to... and failed miserably.
No they really, really didn't. If they wanted it to be a twist we wouldn't have had the scenes in the Vale where LF convinces Robin to call his banners, we wouldn't have Sansa turn down their help, we wouldn't have discussions between her and Brienne about not telling Jon and we sure as hell wouldn't have seen Sansa send that raven after the Northern Houses rejected her call for help.

A twist is Tywin Lannister showing up out of nowhere with the Tyrell army at his side to win the Battle of Blackwater with virtually no onscreen development of this story line.
 
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