TV Game of Thrones Season 6 - non book readers *no spoilers until show airs*

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Since she left Sandor Clegane...
Mostly just this season, her stabbing pedo Trant's eyes out was good.

If time is linear how can Hodor have been created before Bran existed? This isn't me coming up with a theory, this is simply following the logical path that they have created. Without a catalyst it is simply saying because it is.
Bran doesn't need to exist (or even survive to that moment) for Hodor to have the vision that mentally destroys him. Hodor experiences that regardless of what happens next.

Bran eventually fulfills a loop by becoming the catalyst for Hodor's madness, but he wasn't necessary for it to happen. If Bran doesn't Warg into Hodor they get mowed down in the snow, everyone dies, but they don't change the glimpse of the 'future' that Hodor saw as a child, it's just that that future never eventuates.

The vision/experience was real to Hodor, the final outcome contextualises it and gives it meaning, but that outcome was not guaranteed.
 

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If time is linear how can Hodor have been created before Bran existed? This isn't me coming up with a theory, this is simply following the logical path that they have created. Without a catalyst it is simply saying because it is.
Hodor wasn't created before Bran existed. Its been shown Bran can effect people when he has visions of the past (Ned hearing him at ToJ) - he's effectively 'there' in some form. Same for the Hodor scene - for all intents and purposes, Bran most certainly exists and is there when Willas has his fit. In fact him being there is the cause of it.
 

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What happened happened has to be the course from here, Bran cannot just go back and change whatever he wants because that would be stupid and make plenty of story's/Timelines redundant.

The time-loop can be built upon and furthered but changing things we have seen cannot happen.

Can't wait to find out more. :)
 

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What stops bran from going back and stopping the white walkers from being made now?
Because he cant change the past...

Obviously the Hodor timeline was set, because Hodor was Hodor all his life, meaning before Bran was born, he had gone back in time and altered Hodor's life, whilst simultaneously saving himselt in the future.

Bran exists in a world with White Walkers so he obviously hasn't gone back in time and stopped them from being created.

Bran CANNOT CHANGE THE PAST - it has already happened, he was just the catalyst from the future.
 

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Here's my take on the whole Bran/Hodor scenario.

1. Willas has a premonition of the future and it destroys him, leaving him only able to say the word Hodor.

2. This happens regardless of Bran warging to that incident.

3. Bran is an observer only. Ned and Willas might have sensed something, but Bran being there didn't matter.

4. The exception to this rule is when the white walkers can see and touch him. But the white walkers are freaks that operate outside the regular rules.

Therefore, no time travel per se, just observing while warging. So that means no paradoxes, no time is circular nonsense. All good!

Of course, I'm likely to be proven wrong within 5 minutes of the next episode ...
 

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1. Willas has a premonition of the future and it destroys him, leaving him only able to say the word Hodor.

2. This happens regardless of Bran warging to that incident.
Hope this true as well. Obviously cuts out the bullshit time stuff and adds more to the Willis story as IIRC only Red Priests and Greenseers have had premonitions or shown others them.
 

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What happened happened has to be the course from here, Bran cannot just go back and change whatever he wants because that would be stupid and make plenty of story's/Timelines redundant.

The time-loop can be built upon and furthered but changing things we have seen cannot happen.

Can't wait to find out more. :)
Didnt work for Homer Simpson in that Halloween Special. ..wont work here.
 

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Cool. I just watched one of Emergency Awesome's latest youtube videos and he said the wolf pack was mentioned in the books but yet to be included in the show.
Really enjoy his content. However I don't like the freebooting views from uploading the trailer.
 

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Cool. I just watched one of Emergency Awesome's latest youtube videos and he said the wolf pack was mentioned in the books but yet to be included in the show.
There have been a few little things likes this, where some show watchers dont remember little throwaway lines, and inversely some book readers swear certain parts of the book have been on the tv show but werent.

I hope my memory is correct.
 

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My take on Hodor and Bran is that it wasn't Bran who created Hodor. It was the Three Eyed Raven in the tree who did. What Bran sees is what The Three Eyed Raven had previously seen.

What Bran has been seeing is a transference of memories and they can share some kind of consciousness.
Nah there has been too much evidence that he is actually present in those visions to a degree:
- Ned hearing him call out "father"
- Night's king seeing him and touching him
- Hodor

I thought it was pretty cut and dry that Hodor was caused by Bran warging into present day Hodor while being in the vision with past Hodor/Willis
 

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Nah there has been too much evidence that he is actually present in those visions to a degree:
- Ned hearing him call out "father"
- Night's king seeing him and touching him
- Hodor

I thought it was pretty cut and dry that Hodor was caused by Bran warging into present day Hodor while being in the vision with past Hodor/Willis
Every time he's been there he's been there with the OER connected to him though. As I said, it might be a collective consciousness that allows him to interact in those memories.

When has he had a memory when not connected to the OER?
 
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