TV Game of Thrones Season 6 - non book readers *no spoilers until show airs*

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Does the ep 6 preview ^^^^ give too much away?

I never seek them out but yesterdays episode rattled my cage.
Nah I don't think so
Every time he's been there he's been there with the OER connected to him though. As I said, it might be a collective consciousness that allows him to interact in those memories.

When has he had a memory when not connected to the OER?
The Night's King but you could argue that wasn't a memory but the present. But that scene clearly showed he could "connect" via the tree with the TER guiding him
 

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Does the ep 6 preview ^^^^ give too much away?

I never seek them out but yesterdays episode rattled my cage.
Interesting preview, looks like they bring 100 soldiers to the Sparrow and are surrounded by thousands of peasants and it's lead by Jamie, not the Tyrells.

So where is the Tyrell army at this stage?

Excited to see who comes to Bran's rescue. Surely not Nymeria...
 

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But can Bran simultaneously warg into the past/have visions and warg into Hodor in the present? I didn't think he could as he seemed oblivious to the WW attack. You clearly saw someone warg into present-day Hodor but I didn't think it was Bran as there was no indication that anything had changed with Bran.

In terms of what happened I keep relating somewhat to Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (HP spoilers ahead!!). Harry originally thinks he sees James cast a patronus (when he really sees himself). His timeline was always destined to happen. When Harry uses the time-turner to go back in time he realises this and jumps out to cast the patronus to fulfill the destiny. I think this is where Bran's timetravel warging might be heading, where his warging fulfills a pre-determined destiny rather than changing the future/timeline that we've seen over the last 5.5 seasons.

Very interesting. There seems to be enough evidence to suggest that Bran is physically present in his visions to some extent (i.e. calling out to Ned and being touched by the Night King). Given that the Children created the WW I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that they have some sort of power to see Bran in the visions as opposed to non-WW that might be able to detect his presence. It might explain why Willas had the vision when he did, Bran's presence there coincided with the WW attack in the modern day.

What's most interesting to me is, where was Bran when he had his own vision without the 3ER and got marked by the Night King? Did he warg to the past again or was he simply somewhere else in the present day (although I didn't think he could be two places at once)?


Fantastic episode and certainly one of the best in the series.
 

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Interesting preview, looks like they bring 100 soldiers to the Sparrow and are surrounded by thousands of peasants and it's lead by Jamie, not the Tyrells.

So where is the Tyrell army at this stage?

Excited to see who comes to Bran's rescue. Surely not Nymeria...
They are Tyrell soldiers, and Mace is right next to Jaime.

Going to be very interesting
Margarey looked quite well taken care of and perhaps even confident/happy about what was going to happen.
 

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They are Tyrell soldiers, and Mace is right next to Jaime.

Going to be very interesting
Margarey looked quite well taken care of and perhaps even confident/happy about what was going to happen.
My Christian brothers eyes missed that. Still a pretty small force to take along to a potential massive fight.
 
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Bran doesn't need to exist (or even survive to that moment) for Hodor to have the vision that mentally destroys him. Hodor experiences that regardless of what happens next.

Bran eventually fulfills a loop by becoming the catalyst for Hodor's madness, but he wasn't necessary for it to happen. If Bran doesn't Warg into Hodor they get mowed down in the snow, everyone dies, but they don't change the glimpse of the 'future' that Hodor saw as a child, it's just that that future never eventuates.

The vision/experience was real to Hodor, the final outcome contextualises it and gives it meaning, but that outcome was not guaranteed.
I don't buy it. This theory would need to have Willis having some amazing prescient powers of his own death when the evidence suggests he is a simple minded farm boy.

It has been shown that Bran has the power to affect the past - like when before he was born, he called out to his father, who heard him. So it would fit the story better if Bran had past-warged Willis to create Hodor. He retrospectively freaks the boy out by mind-sharing the visions of his own death and also creates the creature that will protect him over several years.

If Bran has this power to take over a person or animal's mind, and also change the past - is he is God.
 

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My Christian brothers eyes missed that. Still a pretty small force to take along to a potential massive fight.
They're outside the sept so its kind of confined/narrow anyway (its where Tommen had a standoff with the faith militant when he had his kings guard with him) and you have to fight up the stairs i.e. the sparrows have the high ground.

But knights and armoured men at arms are orders of magnitude more effective than unarmoured civilian militia.

Like, they could take the faith quite easily with 40 or so knights I reckon. Back in medieval times a fully trained an armoured knight on horseback was worth 50 regular soldiers at least. GOT seems to take that even further.
 

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To be fair Hodor did seem to enjoy his life for much of those 35 years. Always seemed a fairly happy fellow.
Arrested development. The experience was so traumatic he never emotionally developed (and was slow to start with on account of the giants blood) after the event.

Its seriously pretty messed up. The fact that the 'current day' Hodor wasn't repeating 'Hodor, Hodor' etc. makes me think Bran or BR had warged him in the present, so he never actually even chose to hold the door.
 

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I don't buy it. This theory would need to have Willis having some amazing prescient powers of his own death when the evidence suggests he is a simple minded farm boy.

It has been shown that Bran has the power to affect the past - like when before he was born, he called out to his father, who heard him. So it would fit the story better if Bran had past-warged Willis to create Hodor. He retrospectively freaks the boy out by mind-sharing the visions of his own death and also creates the creature that will protect him over several years.

If Bran has this power to take over a person or animal's mind, and also change the past - is he is God.
How do you know the OER didn't plant everything to do with Hodor in Bran's mind?

If Bran now has OER memories then it might seem it's him doing something when in fact it's someone else who did it.

Bran calling out to Ned doesn't mean Ned at that time was hearing Bran speaking.
 

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They're outside the sept so its kind of confined/narrow anyway (its where Tommen had a standoff with the faith militant when he had his kings guard with him) and you have to fight up the stairs i.e. the sparrows have the high ground.

But knights and armoured men at arms are orders of magnitude more effective than unarmoured civilian militia.

Like, they could take the faith quite easily with 40 or so knights I reckon. Back in medieval times a fully trained an armoured knight on horseback was worth 50 regular soldiers at least. GOT seems to take that even further.
It might just be that we can't see them, but i'd expect archers to be present if you're gonna take down a big group of people quickly.
 

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Yeah sorry guys. All this moaning about time travel & I still think the travel time is a bigger problem in the show.
After Littlefinger & the Sand snake's efforts, just watch Euron beat Theon & his sister to their destination even though they've already set sail & he's only just about to gather the wood to build 1000 ships...
 

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Yeah sorry guys. All this moaning about time travel & I still think the travel time is a bigger problem in the show.
After Littlefinger & the Sand snake's efforts, just watch Euron beat Theon & his sister to their destination even though they've already set sail & he's only just about to gather the wood to build 1000 ships...
Euron is the best sailor in the world and has seen basically all of it via sea, so it wouldn't bother me anywhere near as much as the LF teleportation
 

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Thought we were about to see ironborns accidentally drown their newly crowned king. Would have been one of the funnier moments of the series and a bit of monty pythonesque comedy.
That's how their religion works.

They follow the drowned god, and take Baptism to a new level by literally drowning people.

What is dead may never die but rises stronger and greater
 

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Euron is the best sailor in the world and has seen basically all of it via sea, so it wouldn't bother me anywhere near as much as the LF teleportation
Oh don't get me wrong I'm not questioning his sailing abilities. But yeah, I'm no expert on what the time frame to actually gather the materials & build 1000 ships would be but....
 

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Oh don't get me wrong I'm not questioning his sailing abilities. But yeah, I'm no expert on what the time frame to actually gather the materials & build 1000 ships would be but....
Also I know the scale of the show always has to be cut back for Budget reasons but everything on the show suggests the iron islands have closer to 1,000 sailors than enough sailors to sail 1,000 ships.
 

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Interesting preview, looks like they bring 100 soldiers to the Sparrow and are surrounded by thousands of peasants and it's lead by Jamie, not the Tyrells.

So where is the Tyrell army at this stage?

Excited to see who comes to Bran's rescue. Surely not Nymeria...
i do believe its the tyrells. theyre at the front, surrounded by the faith and lannisters. they will all be slaughtered. it will be the red wedding in the day

They are Tyrell soldiers, and Mace is right next to Jaime.

Going to be very interesting
Margarey looked quite well taken care of and perhaps even confident/happy about what was going to happen.
margarey is beautiful all the time. she is the light in my darkness, a flower blossoming in a drought.
 
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