TV Game of Thrones - season 8

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Vader

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Why should it have a bearing?

Did we see the Tyrell army in battle?
An army that should have been larger and in better order than the Lannisters.

I don't remember any of this level moaning when all of a sudden they were wiped out to move the story line forward.

Why?

Because it has no bearing moving forward.
Yes, we did see the Tyrell/Lannister battle, albeit briefly. And no, it shouldn't have been larger & better order, because the attack on Highgarden caught the Tyrells by surprise, so they didn't have time to gather their army, they were only able to fight with the garrison they had at Highgarden.

You didn't see bitching and moaning about that, because it made a modicum of sense - unlike the tripe which D&D produced in season 8.
 

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Yes, we did see the Tyrell/Lannister battle, albeit briefly. And no, it shouldn't have been larger & better order, because the attack on Highgarden caught the Tyrells by surprise, so they didn't have time to gather their army, they were only able to fight with the garrison they had at Highgarden.

You didn't see bitching and moaning about that, because it made a modicum of sense - unlike the tripe which D&D produced in season 8.
The Tyrell's had a massive army still, it dwarfed the Lannister army at the time. They also had quite a few other families very loyal to them.

It's like there was a few thousand Tyrell forces and the gates were all left open for the Lannisters to waltz in through and there after not a single Tyrell soldier or ally existed, never heard from again. And yet you don't have a problem with that.

It went the way it did to progress the story.

You're literally speaking now from the point of view I've been doing so in all our exchanges.
 

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The Tyrell's had a massive army still, it dwarfed the Lannister army at the time. They also had quite a few other families very loyal to them.

It's like there was a few thousand Tyrell forces and the gates were all left open for the Lannisters to waltz in through and there after not a single Tyrell soldier or ally existed, never heard from again. And yet you don't have a problem with that.

It went the way it did to progress the story.

You're literally speaking now from the point of view I've been doing so in all our exchanges.
I do question the stupidity of having a vastly outnumbered Tyrell army (i.e. the Highgarden garrison) fight the Lannister army on the plain in front of Highgarden - but that's just standard D&D tactical stupidity, which we've seen over and over again. There's a reason why people built castles with thick/high walls, it's to keep the enemies on the outside. This is a fundamental element of medieval warfare, which D&D have completely failed to grasp - or have willingly chosen to ignore in the name of "theatre" (my money is on the former).

I don't question the small size of the Tyrell army defending Highgarden against the Lannister attack. It was a surprise attack, which didn't give the Tyrells time to gather the rest of their forces, which were seemingly scattered all over The Reach. The only troops available to Olenna were the Highgarden garrison. This was not unreasonable, given what was actually shown.

As far as we know, the Olenna was the last living Tyrell. The others were all killed when Cersei set off her wildfire bomb. The death of Olenna created a power vacuum, and we have no idea how it was likely to be filled. Cersei could have installed a puppet as Lord of Highgarden, which seems very likely given that Jamie & Tyrion promised Highgarden to Bronn (a promise which Tyrion subsequently kept).

The difference between Dorne & Highgarden, is that the Lannisters never seized and occupied Dorne. Both had their leadership wiped out, but Dorne did so in the absence of Lannister influence. The same cannot be said for Highgarden and The Reach. This is why Dorne was mentioned as being part of Dany's alliance at the Battle of Kings Landing, but Highgarden was not.

All of which begs the question - why do you spend so much time watching things that aren't shown, rather than things which are? You've really built a strange little fantasy world in your head, as a result of seeing things that never happened.
 

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Actually there is.

What point would his character have that anyone of the others couldn't just say or do?

He was her Hand. So in order for Tyrion to have become hand he had to go.
See thats the problem with D&D. They do things so other things can happen rather than let the story take it's course naturally.
 

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I do question the stupidity of having a vastly outnumbered Tyrell army (i.e. the Highgarden garrison) fight the Lannister army on the plain in front of Highgarden - but that's just standard D&D tactical stupidity, which we've seen over and over again. There's a reason why people built castles with thick/high walls, it's to keep the enemies on the outside. This is a fundamental element of medieval warfare, which D&D have completely failed to grasp - or have willingly chosen to ignore in the name of "theatre" (my money is on the former).

I don't question the small size of the Tyrell army defending Highgarden against the Lannister attack. It was a surprise attack, which didn't give the Tyrells time to gather the rest of their forces, which were seemingly scattered all over The Reach. The only troops available to Olenna were the Highgarden garrison. This was not unreasonable, given what was actually shown.

As far as we know, the Olenna was the last living Tyrell. The others were all killed when Cersei set off her wildfire bomb. The death of Olenna created a power vacuum, and we have no idea how it was likely to be filled. Cersei could have installed a puppet as Lord of Highgarden, which seems very likely given that Jamie & Tyrion promised Highgarden to Bronn (a promise which Tyrion subsequently kept).

The difference between Dorne & Highgarden, is that the Lannisters never seized and occupied Dorne. Both had their leadership wiped out, but Dorne did so in the absence of Lannister influence. The same cannot be said for Highgarden and The Reach. This is why Dorne was mentioned as being part of Dany's alliance at the Battle of Kings Landing, but Highgarden was not.

All of which begs the question - why do you spend so much time watching things that aren't shown, rather than things which are? You've really built a strange little fantasy world in your head, as a result of seeing things that never happened.
I don't watch the things that aren't shown. I just realise things that don't matter are often there or not simply to move the plot along.

Once again, you have a major issue with troop numbers on one scene but are happy to explain away a far larger group of soldiers in another scenario.

There was actually more reason to be asking troop number questions around the Tyrells and their allies simply all disappearing than a thousand more unsullied.

But the moaning about that never got close to the amount of whining we saw here over a tiny force.
 

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I don't watch the things that aren't shown. I just realise things that don't matter are often there or not simply to move the plot along.
Your posting says otherwise. You spend far more time watching stuff which was never shown (because it was never filmed, or thought of, or written by D&D) than you do watching what was actually shown.
Once again, you have a major issue with troop numbers on one scene but are happy to explain away a far larger group of soldiers in another scenario.

There was actually more reason to be asking troop number questions around the Tyrells and their allies simply all disappearing than a thousand more unsullied.

But the moaning about that never got close to the amount of whining we saw here over a tiny force.
I have an issue with the stupidity with which the Tyrells conducted the battle. As with Battle of the Bastards, the Battle of Winterfell, and the Battle of Kings Landing, D&D had his characters behave as if they had no understanding whatsoever of military tactics. There's a reason people built whacking great big castles, with high/thick walls!!

There is no way that the Tyrell army would have met the (much larger) Lannister army on the plain out the front of Highgarden. What they would have done was to sit inside the castle, forcing the Lannister army to conduct a seige. They then would have sent out a bunch of ravens, calling their bannermen to arms. Once assembled, the full Army of the Reach would have marched to Highgarden, smashed the Lannister forces, and ended the siege.

The difference between us is that I'm actually watching what is shown. I watched a surprise attack on Highgarden, before the Tyrells could gather their forces. I saw Dany being so desperate for living soldiers, to fight the Army of the Dead, that she was willing to (temporarily) bury her differences with Cersei in an attempt to have the Lannister army fighting at Winterfell.

You, on the other hand, are busy watching things that were never shown - because they never happened. You were busy watching Dany leaving half her army scattered all over Westeros, or hidden somewhere in Westerfell but never used despite the desperation of the situation. You were busy wondering where the rest of the Tyrell army was, when its absence was readily explained.

I have no problem with pointing out the failings of the writers - and God knows they stuffed up massively and repeatedly throughout seasons 7 & 8. I am also, however, prepared to defend them when people make attacks which just make no sense - as you are prone to do.
 

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Who else wanted to see the Whitewalker citadel?
Season four was the one that got me hooked because a lot more time was given to the WWs compared to the first three seasons. Would've loved to see that far north/land of always winter and if the WWs had more rituals like that and other mystical shit. The show's peak was S4-5 IMO
 

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Your posting says otherwise. You spend far more time watching stuff which was never shown (because it was never filmed, or thought of, or written by D&D) than you do watching what was actually shown.

I have an issue with the stupidity with which the Tyrells conducted the battle. As with Battle of the Bastards, the Battle of Winterfell, and the Battle of Kings Landing, D&D had his characters behave as if they had no understanding whatsoever of military tactics. There's a reason people built whacking great big castles, with high/thick walls!!

There is no way that the Tyrell army would have met the (much larger) Lannister army on the plain out the front of Highgarden. What they would have done was to sit inside the castle, forcing the Lannister army to conduct a seige. They then would have sent out a bunch of ravens, calling their bannermen to arms. Once assembled, the full Army of the Reach would have marched to Highgarden, smashed the Lannister forces, and ended the siege.

The difference between us is that I'm actually watching what is shown. I watched a surprise attack on Highgarden, before the Tyrells could gather their forces. I saw Dany being so desperate for living soldiers, to fight the Army of the Dead, that she was willing to (temporarily) bury her differences with Cersei in an attempt to have the Lannister army fighting at Winterfell.

You, on the other hand, are busy watching things that were never shown - because they never happened. You were busy watching Dany leaving half her army scattered all over Westeros, or hidden somewhere in Westerfell but never used despite the desperation of the situation. You were busy wondering where the rest of the Tyrell army was, when its absence was readily explained.

I have no problem with pointing out the failings of the writers - and God knows they stuffed up massively and repeatedly throughout seasons 7 & 8. I am also, however, prepared to defend them when people make attacks which just make no sense - as you are prone to do.
We didn't even see the 80-100,000 Tyrell Army in battle, we didn't see their massive naval Armada at war.

But seeing some extra Unsullied appear is more problematic with so many dopey GoT fans.

I'm watching what's on the screen and not giving a fu** about some extra soliders present. If 70,000 Tyrell soldiers and a whole fleet are irrelevant then so to are some extra Unsullied.
 

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We didn't even see the 80-100,000 Tyrell Army in battle, we didn't see their massive naval Armada at war.

But seeing some extra Unsullied appear is more problematic with so many dopey GoT fans.

I'm watching what's on the screen and not giving a **** about some extra soliders present. If 70,000 Tyrell soldiers and a whole fleet are irrelevant then so to are some extra Unsullied.
No shit Sherlock! You didn't see them on screen, because they weren't present at the battle - because it was a surprise attack! How many times do I need to repeat this before it sinks in?

Yes, the full Tyrell army would have been much larger than the Lannister's. Yes, they would have wiped the floor with the Lannisters. However, for reasons which were actually explained in the show, the bulk of the Tyrell army wasn't present - only the Highgarden garrison.

There's a difference between monumental stuff ups, which make no sense when compared with what we saw on the screen (i.e. Unsullied being wiped out, only to re-spawn later), and things we saw on screen which make complete sense (Lannister army vs Highgarden garrison).
 

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I look at things a couple of ways.

Firstly, I think they rushed the last 2 seasons terribly, and it did let the shows story down in a big way.

But once I accepted what the show was going to give me, then I was Blown away by the visual Spectacle of it all. As a viewing specatcle it was Brilliatn and unmatched by any other T.V. show.
 

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Really? What bits?

I’d like you give me one or two examples so I can have a look.
From the last episode ?
when they chose the new king...... brand the broken
Tyrion was prisoner and threatend with punishment if he opened mouth.......dictates the scene though
Greyjoys girl (forget name) was screaming Daenerys is my queen.....minutes later " aye " for brand
 

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From the last episode ?
when they chose the new king...... brand the broken
Tyrion was prisoner and threatend with punishment if he opened mouth.......dictates the scene though
Greyjoys girl (forget name) was screaming Daenerys is my queen.....minutes later " aye " for brand
Yara, Gendry and the Dornish Prince are the reason why Jon has to go to the black. That's why he can't just sneak back like nothing happened even with the Unsullied and Dothraki gone.

They got outvoted was all that happened there.

Sam, Brienne, Sansa, Robyn and Edmure is 5 votes to their 3.
 

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