TV Game of Thrones - season 8

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And in all seriousness, "its true" actually is enough for Dany - because it came from Jon. A few scenes prior she specifically states that she trusts him and knows he is a man of his word.
Even if she didn't, his ability to ride the dragon is irrefutable proof of his Targ lineage.
 
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So then why would lineage matter? Shouldnt spoils go to the winner of conquest if that is true? Dany could just take the throne.
Lineage only matters in times of turmoil.

Its why Cersei chased up any and all hints about Roberts bastards and killed them all (except Gendry) . Lineage is why Stannis raised an army. Lineage is only something to be able to take to the people
 

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Lineage only matters in times of turmoil.

Its why Cersei chased up any and all hints about Roberts bastards and killed them all (except Gendry) . Lineage is why Stannis raised an army. Lineage is only something to be able to take to the people
So it does matter now then. So surely gendry is the heir to throne. The Targs were kicked out by the rest of the 7 kingdoms and no longer have any claim except in their own minds. The Baratheons have not been kicked out.
 

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So it does matter now then. So surely gendry is the heir to throne. The Targs were kicked out by the rest of the 7 kingdoms and no longer have any claim except in their own minds. The Baratheons have not been kicked out.
The Baratheons are extinct and nobody is going to back the horse which is some guy with no diplomatic connections whose only asset is that he's a decent blacksmith over a woman with dragons, the ruler of the entire north of the continent, and the sitting Queen.
 

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Stannis was going to legitimise Jon.
Stannis wanted to legitimize Jon to bring the North into the fold (from memory), I don't see anyone having any reason to legitimize Gendry. Maybe if the show still had the scope it used to and Renly's country still existed as a relevant thing there would be a reason, but I don't see that coming up.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong but only the family/father can legitimise a bastard.

No chance if that happen with Robert being dead.

Kings can....They might even be the only ones who can.


Gendry would be the head of house Baratheon if legitimised (everyone else being dead).
 

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So it does matter now then. So surely gendry is the heir to throne. The Targs were kicked out by the rest of the 7 kingdoms and no longer have any claim except in their own minds. The Baratheons have not been kicked out.
He is the presumptive heir. Just as Jon and Dany before him is the presumptive heir.

An heir presumptive is the person entitled to inherit a throne, peerage, or other hereditary honour, but whose position can be displaced by the birth of an heir apparent or of a new heir presumptive with a better claim to the position in question.[1][2] The position is however subject to law and/or conventions that may alter who is entitled to be heir presumptive.
 
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Stannis wanted to legitimize Jon to bring the North into the fold (from memory), I don't see anyone having any reason to legitimize Gendry. Maybe if the show still had the scope it used to and Renly's country still existed as a relevant thing there would be a reason, but I don't see that coming up.
If they win the war, and if Jon/Gendry both survived, what reason would Jon have to not legitimise Gendry? Marry him to Arya, bring back a great House as closest possible allies for the Starks.
 

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Stannis was going to legitimise Jon.
Stannis wanted to legitimize Jon to bring the North into the fold (from memory), I don't see anyone having any reason to legitimize Gendry. Maybe if the show still had the scope it used to and Renly's country still existed as a relevant thing there would be a reason, but I don't see that coming up.
Kings can....They might even be the only ones who can.


Gendry would be the head of house Baratheon if legitimised (everyone else being dead).
My comment was more in line with legitimising Gendry for the crown not so much as the head of his family.

Even then that would be required a king or something like that to do so and at this stage I can’t see Dany or Cersei doing so.

Jon/Sansa/Arya May do so if they are the one to be on the throne in the end
 

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If they win the war, and if Jon/Gendry both survived, what reason would Jon have to not legitimise Gendry? Marry him to Arya, bring back a great House as closest possible allies for the Starks.
It would be expending political capital for no gain. Gendry has no allies who would be happy to have him legitimized, presumably there is someone ruling the Baratheons land now who won't be pleased to have their claim threatened (although given everyone on Dragonstone apparently left or vanished maybe not). Marrying him to Arya ahead of anyone with actual land or influence makes no tactical sense, and if Jon just wants to let Arya marry for love there's nothing legitimizing Gendry adds to that.

The House was only 'great' because of its land and connections, not any inherent supernatural reason. Take away Dany's marriage to Drogo and dragons and she'd still be living in the guys home where she was back in Season 1 with Viserys.
 

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Not really. The rightful king or queen is whoever can unite the kingdoms/bring peace to the continent that's been in turmoil for 10 years.

Dany has the biggest army so she has the best chance of doing that, but she won't be able to do it alone. If she gets the North on her side, then the Vale and Riverlands will join her as well ehich would be enough to take kingslandong and defeat Cersei
Thats what i thought. The whole jon is a targ plot should be irrelevant. Dany has the biggest army plus dragons and none of that was due to her lineage.
 
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As a bastard Gendry is 100% irrelevant to the succession in a medieval setting imo. Would be anachronistic to have him or his descendant have significance
Uhh, very wrong in terms of claims. Plenty of succession wars fought with bastards being a claimant. John I of Portugal, Henry the Bastard (first King of Castile and León) - heck, William the Conqueror was also known as William the Bastard and it created problems for him when he took the Duchy of Normandy at the age of around 8.
 
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Episode 2 is possibly the perfect episode to have before the epic climactic battle.

You have to realise that all these scenes of the characters that we've followed for years, talking and bantering together, consoling each other, are because most of them are at the end of their character arcs. These are their final moments together stretched out on our screen for us to enjoy, one last time, before they go to battle, one last time, and die (maybe).

I'm perfectly fine with this episode and no battle/action in it, because we needed these final moments with the characters we've grown to love to not be really interrupted by anything, as I'm sure there will be plenty of heartache for us fans during the battle next week.
 

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The Baratheons are extinct and nobody is going to back the horse which is some guy with no diplomatic connections whose only asset is that he's a decent blacksmith over a woman with dragons, the ruler of the entire north of the continent, and the sitting Queen.
So lineage is irrelevant. Its connections and power. Dany still trumps Jon.
 

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Uhh, very wrong in terms of claims. Plenty of succession wars fought with bastards being a claimant. John I of Portugal, Henry the Bastard (first King of Castile and León) - heck, William the Conqueror was also known as William the Bastard created problems for him when he took the throne.
All of these people used their influence to press their claim the same way as Dany. What's Gendry going to do? Smith himself his own iron throne?

At this point anyone with the power to use Gendry as a pawn is in the position to push their own claim and has no need to use Gendry.
 
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