TV Game of Thrones - season 8

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Is book reader the go to response when anyone criticises the show now?
I get what you're saying, but you can see where it comes from in this specific case as you have people;

- lamenting the lack of twists in the show since it passed the books, despite there clearly being twists present
- bagging the show runners for not having more or bigger ones, despite them getting their info concerning such things directly from GRRM himself
- saying there won't be another twist the size/impact of the red wedding in the show, even though there obviously won't be one in the future books either

I reckon the books are clearly superior to the show FWIW. But the bagging of the show runners for things that are actually GRRM's responsibility is a little tedious.
 

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Lots of warnings to characters not able to fight to go to the crypts. White walkers are able to raise the dead. Am I the only one considering the idea that those that are buried in the crypts might be raised?
No. They spent the entire episode yelling at us through a loudspeaker, telling us that it was going to happen.
If this happens, will Jon be forced to kill his mother as a white?
Wight (as distinct from White Walker, which a lot of people seem to confuse). Unlikely, as Jon won't be in the crypt. It will probably be Arya fighting the undead Starks in the crypt, given what we've seen in the trailers.
 
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I get what you're saying, but you can see where it comes from in this specific case as you have people;

- lamenting the lack of twists in the show since it passed the books, despite there clearly being twists present
- bagging the show runners for not having more or bigger ones, despite them getting their info concerning such things directly from GRRM himself
- saying there won't be another twist the size/impact of the red wedding in the show, even though there obviously won't be one in the future books either

I reckon the books are clearly superior to the show FWIW. But the bagging of the show runners for things that are actually GRRM's responsibility is a little tedious.
Tedious is fair enough, but so are the criticisms. The show has become very linear since they passed the books, and some of the characters are no longer written with the depth that they previously enjoyed.

The writers are still good enough to produce an enjoyable show, but the story telling and character development is nowhere near as good as it was in the earlier seasons. Like a bad George Lucas movie, they're using millions of dollars of CGI to try and disguise the drop in story telling quality.
 

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Lots of warnings to characters not able to fight to go to the crypts. White walkers are able to raise the dead. Am I the only one considering the idea that those that are buried in the crypts might be raised? If this happens, will Jon be forced to kill his mother as a white?
It's been said for about the last 20 pages and on any online reading you do about the show lol

So no you're not the only one. You're the last one ;)
 
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Wight (as distinct from White Walker, which a lot of people seem to confuse).
Noticed in my series rewatch they called them "the Dead" and "Army of the Dead". Presumably to limit confusion as Wight and White sound the same.
 
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Are any of these developments seen as a twist? I think they've all happened beyond where the books are up to.

The Hound turning out to be alive
Cersei blowing up the Sept and half of the cast
Tommen committing suicide
Jorah being cured of grayscale
Sam finding out Jon's true parentage
Sansa and Arya teaming up to take out Littlefinger

Not sure I saw any of that coming (except L+R=J, of course).
 

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Tedious is fair enough, but so are the criticisms. The show has become very linear since they passed the books, and some of the characters are no longer written with the depth that they previously enjoyed.

The writers are still good enough to produce an enjoyable show, but the story telling and character development is nowhere near as good as it was in the earlier seasons. Like a bad George Lucas movie, they're using millions of dollars of CGI to try and disguise the drop in story telling quality.
Come on now. The whole GoT world has shrunk to essentially two places now and only a handful of characters. Think of it like a funnel and we're now near the bottom nearing the end. There's not the wriggle room there once was for twists and political intrigue on a grand scale.

Do you ever wonder why the great GR Martin himself can't finish the books???
 

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Lots of warnings to characters not able to fight to go to the crypts. White walkers are able to raise the dead. Am I the only one considering the idea that those that are buried in the crypts might be raised? If this happens, will Jon be forced to kill his mother as a white?
There will be main characters that are killed and turned into wights, and then re-killed most probably by family
 
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Are any of these developments seen as a twist? I think they've all happened beyond where the books are up to.

The Hound turning out to be alive
Cersei blowing up the Sept and half of the cast
Tommen committing suicide
Jorah being cured of grayscale
Sam finding out Jon's true parentage
Sansa and Arya teaming up to take out Littlefinger

Not sure I saw any of that coming (except L+R=J, of course).
All of these genuinely were twists for me, the L+R=J included. The fact that it ended up being the case was almost more surprising because of the fact that so many people thought it would be the case.

I seriously love the show, I will admit it is definitely different since it has gone past the books, but I don't enjoy it any less.
 

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Tedious is fair enough, but so are the criticisms. The show has become very linear since they passed the books, and some of the characters are no longer written with the depth that they previously enjoyed.

The writers are still good enough to produce an enjoyable show, but the story telling and character development is nowhere near as good as it was in the earlier seasons. Like a bad George Lucas movie, they're using millions of dollars of CGI to try and disguise the drop in story telling quality.
Yeah thats reasonable, my post was purely about the twist discussion.

Also not surprising that character development and plotting might not be as strong now that there is no mountain of written detail to draw from. But you'd need to read the future books before making a definitive call IMO - the time they're taking to finish is probably indicative that GRRM himself is having trouble making it all fit together satisfactorily. The show can't sit around fuguring it out for 8 years.
 
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Do you ever wonder why the great GR Martin himself can't finish the books???
Easier and more profitable to come up with new properties and flog them to studios for a few million now he's a household name.

If he really wanted to finish he could sit in an office a few days a week with a couple uncredited assistants.
 
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Definition of twist changes to whatever suits you. Reminds me of someone on the NFL board saying it's not a fumble when you're stripped of the ball.
How would you define a twist? I would of though unexpected and game changing.

And a twist is only good if you like it. Making this discussion a bit pointless. Its all subjective.
 

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It’s a bit odd to be watching something that you find so much negativity in, like watching the cats win and then posting all the negatives despite winning on the team board.

I just don’t get the negative mindset and the need to watch something that I have stated I don’t like or has declined in quality and then go online and bag it out.

I watched 2 seasons of TWD and it wasn’t for me despite all my mates loving the show, I didn’t continue to watch it so I could turn around and tell them how shit it is.
I liked the last episode. Im not always negative. I have a high critical threshold though. I very rarely give 5 star reviews on amazon or uber. Probably only 20 percent of the time.
 

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How would you define a twist? I would of though unexpected and game changing.

And a twist is only good if you like it. Making this discussion a bit pointless. Its all subjective.
It's in dictionaries. It's not subjective, not in this context.
 

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It's in dictionaries. It's not subjective, not in this context.
Whether you like a twist is subjective. Twists dont automatically mean good. Twists can also ruin shows if done poorly or are poor story developments regardless of whether they are unexpected and game changing.
 
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I liked the last episode. Im not always negative. I have a high critical threshold though. I very rarely give 5 star reviews on amazon or uber. Probably only 20 percent of the time.
I thought it was a bit of a mixed bag. I liked seeing the characters on the eve of battle, a battle which they know many (if not all) will not survive. We saw the Beric & the Hound in quiet contemplation on the battlements, the B-Team drinking sociably in front of the fire while contemplating their mortality, and finally we saw Arya take the final step from girl to woman. Thormund's tale of suckling from the giant was hilarious, doubly so as a failed attempt to woo Brienne. It was also nice to know that Jon/Aegon is still the worst military strategist in the history of Westeros, and that he hasn't grown any wiser since almost losing the Battle of the Bastards through a personal act of sheer stupidity.

The only thing I really didn't like was the sledgehammer they used to drive home the point about the crypts, and how everyone who sheltered there was likely to be slaughtered when the NK raises the Stark wights.
 

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Are any of these developments seen as a twist? I think they've all happened beyond where the books are up to.

The Hound turning out to be alive
Cersei blowing up the Sept and half of the cast
Tommen committing suicide
Jorah being cured of grayscale
Sam finding out Jon's true parentage
Sansa and Arya teaming up to take out Littlefinger

Not sure I saw any of that coming (except L+R=J, of course).
Holy crap you're right, how did that not get a mention before.

We can safely put to bed the nonsense about there being no twists since the show passed the books.
 
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Will there be anything with the what is dead can never die thing?

Can the WW kill someone who has already technically died? Eg Jon, Beric. Even the Iron Born who are guarding Bran (Do they all go through that drowning thing?)
 

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Lots of warnings to characters not able to fight to go to the crypts. White walkers are able to raise the dead. Am I the only one considering the idea that those that are buried in the crypts might be raised? If this happens, will Jon be forced to kill his mother as a white?
 

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I thought it was a bit of a mixed bag. I liked seeing the characters on the eve of battle, a battle which they know many (if not all) will not survive. We saw the Beric & the Hound in quiet contemplation on the battlements, the B-Team drinking sociably in front of the fire while contemplating their mortality, and finally we saw Arya take the final step from girl to woman. Thormund's tale of suckling from the giant was hilarious, doubly so as a failed attempt to woo Brienne. It was also nice to know that Jon/Aegon is still the worst military strategist in the history of Westeros, and that he hasn't grown any wiser since almost losing the Battle of the Bastards through a personal act of sheer stupidity.

The only thing I really didn't like was the sledgehammer they used to drive home the point about the crypts, and how everyone who sheltered there was likely to be slaughtered when the NK raises the Stark wights.
Good post. As someone who likes watching battle scenes the battle strategy discussion was incredibly disapointing to the point of silly. But i liked most of the other scenes with the characters before the battle. It should make everything seem more epic and powerful when watched in one sitting. The dialogue wasnt fantastic but it was a lot better then what we have had recently. It even was a bit emotional at times. They do drive home future plot points like we are all 8 years old though. The fact they have told us there will be mass carnage in the crypts didnt bother me to much as we expect these writers tell us everything before it happens. I just hope they have been wise enough to give us at least a couple of big surprises.
 
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