game thoughts

[dominguez]

I think it was dom who said in another thread that the gap between our best and our worst seems to be narrowing.

That looks way too positive for anything that I would post.

 

[Tommo]

I think freo are in a bit of trouble unless there is a dramatic improvement. tigers arent exactly crash hot this season with the side being so piece meal, and freo should have thumped them out of the ground well before the last quarter. The start was the reverse of last weeks game against the pies.

They have pushed a number of teams, not just us. The Geelong game is the only one that they have lost in a huge way. Their and our form is reflected in the margin.

Look at the margins they have had this year.
Geelong -157
Port -40
Bullies - 32
Coll. -25
West Coast - 23
Fremantle - 21
Carlton -17
Sydney -16
Adelaide -9
Essendon -8
Brisbane 0

 

[Lach72]

Dessie was great. I've been his only supporter for ages, hopefully the rest of you can see it now.

Ahem...

 

[dominguez]

Ahem...

My comment was tongue in cheek Lachie. Dessie was my whipping boy until I moved on to Mundy and Matt Carr.

I'm sure Gav has a big grin on his face this evening.

 

[Lach72]

My comment was tongue in cheek Lachie. Dessie was my whipping boy until I moved on to Mundy and Matt Carr.

I'm sure Gav has a big grin on his face this evening.

Yeah I got that after I had posted...Vasse Felix has slowed the brain...

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Positives
-- Warnock looks the real deal. Tried the JLo trick of not jumping twice and nearly pulled it off both times. To be 6'8"and be able to snap across his body like that is freakish. Is there any other ruckman who can pull that off.
-- Peter Bell -- oustanding.
-- Pav -- oustanding
-- Des Headland -- for all those wan*ers who think he doesn't put his head over the ball, have a look that free kick he earned to kick his 2nd or 3rd..
-- Solomon -- if you watch the tape, have a look at where he kicks the ball. Almost always makes decent contact, and kicks it to advantage. His last coach must have been really good. I think he played a part in least 4 goals today.
-- Dodd -- did he make a mistake today? Hard, disciplined, sound footy today.
-- McManus -- see Dodd. what does he have to do to earn some respect? We should nickname him Rodney Dangerfield.
-- 64 tackles

Negatives
-- I'm officially over Connolly. Look I hope we come home with a rattling run but I don't think he is the guy for the job. We cannot get our hands on the footy first. Every team puts us under pressure because we can't extract the ball. I don't think its a talent issue.
-- You can't tell me Ibbo was better than Cookie would have been.

 

[Lach72]

Positives
-- Warnock looks the real deal. Tried the JLo trick of not jumping twice and nearly pulled it off both times. To be 6'8"and be able to snap across his body like that is freakish. Is there any other ruckman who can pull that off.
-- Peter Bell -- oustanding.
-- Pav -- oustanding
-- Des Headland -- for all those wan*ers who think he doesn't put his head over the ball, have a look that free kick he earned to kick his 2nd or 3rd..
-- Solomon -- if you watch the tape, have a look at where he kicks the ball. Almost always makes decent contact, and kicks it to advantage. His last coach must have been really good. I think he played a part in least 4 goals today.
-- Dodd -- did he make a mistake today? Hard, disciplined, sound footy today.
-- McManus -- see Dodd. what does he have to do to earn some respect? We should nickname him Rodney Dangerfield.

Negatives
-- I'm officially over Connolly. Look I hope we come home with a rattling run but I don't think he is the guy for the job. We cannot get our hands on the footy first. Every team puts us under pressure because we can't extract the ball. I don't think its a talent issue.
-- You can't tell me Ibbo was better than Cookie would have been.

No but he will be better for the run

 

[Kenny_01]

Ralph, playing Cookie is not going to get us anywhere, short or long term.

Playing Ibbo now will start paying dividends next season, and for the next 10 years.

 

[TP3_Freo]

I dunno if i'm alone here, but Tarrant has been doing his bit and more in this side. Yeah, his kicking isn't there at the moment, but his presence and work rate is second to none.
Little things like in the second quarter when he put his body into a contest, which squirted out to Pav, who dished it off to Dessie ,who capped off a goal impressed me and if he can get his kicking boot straight, he will be a very important player for this club in the next few years.
I have a good feeling that the guys will pick up their intensity for the rest of the season, fingers crossed anyway

 

[Reveler]

will Richmond get fined for running overtime this week?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Ralph, playing Cookie is not going to get us anywhere, short or long term.

Playing Ibbo now will start paying dividends next season, and for the next 10 years.

Completely agree and although he didn't get much of the ball, when he did he looked the part. His decision to stop and kick in board was good, he didn't panic and was really good. I'm excited by him, Warnock and Collard, its just so hard to say who to leave out... Matty Carr may be on his last straw as may someone like Walker (Who I will admit had a decent game today - but he's not that good normally)

 

[bok_party]

Tarrant doesn't have to do anything. just being in the forward line and taking pressure of pav is already a huge help. playing team games in general is about movement too and taking players out of contests.

 

[Rob]

Happy to get the 4 points, but not a whole lot else, except a few positives on specific players (i.e Des, Pav, Warnock, Bell).

It is as clear as the nose on Bill Lawry's face that we have a discipline problem, and nothing appears to be done about it. We gave away 3 kicks due to centre square infringements. Solomon gives away a free kick, and 50 metre penalty, and subsequent goal when there's 20 seconds left in the first quarter and all Richmond were doing was running the clock down. Was he dragged? No. Did he get dragged at 1/4 time? Of course not. Can someone explain to me why?
And there were about 3 or 4 other frees we gave away just due to completely undisciplined acts, such as Pav's disallowed goal (whoever it was) and Tarrant pushing his opponent in the back off the ball, just as a Richmond player kicked the ball back to us. Crazy stuff, and completely unnecessary. If this was a one off I can forgive it, particularly against a rabble like Richmond. But it happens every week. Where does the buck stop with this?

 

[Reveler]

Happy to get the 4 points, but not a whole lot else, except a few positives on specific players (i.e Des, Pav, Warnock, Bell).

It is as clear as the nose on Bill Lawry's face that we have a discipline problem, and nothing appears to be done about it. We gave away 3 kicks due to centre square infringements. Solomon gives away a free kick, and 50 metre penalty, and subsequent goal when there's 20 seconds left in the first quarter and all Richmond were doing was running the clock down. Was he dragged? No. Did he get dragged at 1/4 time? Of course not. Can someone explain to me why?
And there were about 3 or 4 other frees we gave away just due to completely undisciplined acts, such as Pav's disallowed goal (whoever it was) and Tarrant pushing his opponent in the back off the ball, just as a Richmond player kicked the ball back to us. Crazy stuff, and completely unnecessary. If this was a one off I can forgive it, particularly against a rabble like Richmond. But it happens every week. Where does the buck stop with this?

I agree, I am sick of all the stupid off the ball stuff. Its not necessary, doesn't make you tough and just makes you look stupid. I was embarrassed by Solomon's stupid actions today. Just not worth it.

 

[Kenny_01]

Completely agree and although he didn't get much of the ball, when he did he looked the part. His decision to stop and kick in board was good, he didn't panic and was really good. I'm excited by him, Warnock and Collard, its just so hard to say who to leave out... Matty Carr may be on his last straw as may someone like Walker (Who I will admit had a decent game today - but he's not that good normally)

Was also impressed by Ibbo's intensity. Laid a really good tackle and put pressure on the ball carrier. Topped off by his goal. Looked classy. I actually don't think Cook would have done much better.

 

[Cameron_K]

Warnock will be a star, moves so well around the ground.

Was impressed with Ibbo, I still like him better than Peake but that's just me.

 

[estibador]

Negatives
-- I'm officially over Connolly. Look I hope we come home with a rattling run but I don't think he is the guy for the job. We cannot get our hands on the footy first. Every team puts us under pressure because we can't extract the ball. I don't think its a talent issue.

I would tend to agree unfortunately. After telling us all week that we weren't going to underestimate Richmond, to come out and play like we did in that first quarter was very disappointing. Despite all the warnings to the contrary the players looked like they expected to just show up and cruise to victory.

Full credit to him and the team that we knuckled down and fought back for the win but it's clear we have some real motivational issues. It's easy to say that the players shouldn't need motivating at this level but the buck stops with the coach and he has to find a way to make sure the team come out ready to play every week.

 

[Shaymuhz]

for all those people who say des is a front runner i ask you, when did he get most of his goals today? sparked the team when we were behind and was a huge catalyst behind the win. also my buddy walker is goin allright too and hopefully headed for life membership

 

[Borry]

for all those people who say des is a front runner i ask you, when did he get most of his goals today? sparked the team when we were behind and was a huge catalyst behind the win. also my buddy walker is goin allright too and hopefully headed for life membership

The dessie bashers are noy saying that he only played well because we played a crap team. They change their tune every week to suit their own petty agendas.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

I would tend to agree unfortunately. After telling us all week that we weren't going to underestimate Richmond, to come out and play like we did in that first quarter was very disappointing. Despite all the warnings to the contrary the players looked like they expected to just show up and cruise to victory.

Full credit to him and the team that we knuckled down and fought back for the win but it's clear we have some real motivational issues. It's easy to say that the players shouldn't need motivating at this level but the buck stops with the coach and he has to find a way to make sure the team come out ready to play every week.

Thanks Esti. I wrote two negative comments and you're the only one that's picked up on the really important one.

According to the West it was 13 hard ball gets to 1 in the first quarter. This happens way too frequently. We've had 6 years to build a ''brand of football" to compete in finals. The game was billed as if the Tigers were premiers. And then ... we get walloped in exactly the same way Essendon walloped us 4 years ago.

Geez, its frustrating.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Thornton up forward was one out of leftfield and the move was a good one. His kicking looks a lot better than Taz's.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Thornton up forward was one out of leftfield and the move was a good one. His kicking looks a lot better than Taz's.

Been done before. Played as a defensive forward on Wirra in a derby last year and pantsed him.

 

[Freoman]

Been done before. Played as a defensive forward on Wirra in a derby last year and pantsed him.

I also posted that on another post Ralph. I thought Thorton did a great job on Polak fter he was moved onto him.

Other thoughts on the game:
- Tarrant seems to get manhandled every week and never gets a free kick. I thought Raines scragged him all day yet Tarrant still can't get a free. To his credit he just keeps on trying without complaining. Respect!

- Matthew Carr is a waste of space. While I appreciate that he is a tagger, I feel that he is only concerned with stopping his man is content to sit back and watch the play as long as his man is not invovled. In my opinion he is not prepared to play for the team.

- What has happened to the incorrect disposal rule. Umpires never seem to pay a free kick to the tackler. How many times yesterday did the umpire throw his hand up in the airr and call play-on when a player was tackled and dropped the ball. How about rewarding the player that tackles. On that point, I thought the over the shoulder free kick paid to Kane Johnson after he ducked his head was one of the worst decisions I have seen all year.

- Great leadership from the usual suspects Pavlich, Bell and Josh Carr.

- Well done to Warnock.

- Umpire Martin Ellis is a goose!

 

[Lach72]

Thanks Esti. I wrote two negative comments and you're the only one that's picked up on the really important one.

According to the West it was 13 hard ball gets to 1 in the first quarter. This happens way too frequently. We've had 6 years to build a ''brand of football" to compete in finals. The game was billed as if the Tigers were premiers. And then ... we get walloped in exactly the same way Essendon walloped us 4 years ago.

Geez, its frustrating.

Two words: Paul Hasleby

 

[Belnakor]

Two words: Paul Hasleby

Five words: Hes not the whole midfield.

Others need to pull their weight. M.Carr was shithouse last night, no pressure.