Darling wasn't taking throw ins in the backline was he.
Quite a few of his goals were against backup rucks or key defenders which is my point.
Gameplan tweaks needed in 2020
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Quite a few of his goals were against backup rucks or key defenders which is my point.
Greater accountability in defence isn't likely to lead to quicker ball movement out of defence, I'd think it would have the opposite effect.
Thinking of different scenarios. Quicker ball movement after a behind has been scored (for example) but more accountable when the ball is coming back the other way (just a bit of footy smarts, making the right call between punching the ball or thinking you're McGovern, peeling off and marking. There was a period when it felt like Barrass made the wrong call every time).
You got it. Watson. Has some pretty decent wheels and serious swervability.
If the option is there Hurn or Gov go bang with a fast long kick to get behind the defense for Petro, Ryan, Cripps or Cameron to run away.
Option two Jetta and or Watson run through half back to open up the field.
Option three spread wide, retain possession and move the ball up with patience until we set up with our big forwards inside 50. Need to lower the eyes and hit who is open, not bomb it in long and high endless there is space and a good matchup.
The other sides that do it don’t have 2 ruckmen being wasted sitting elsewhere. The teams that don’t have a recognisable ruckman taking forward and defensive stoppages are those that only have the 1 recognised ruckman.
At no stage should we have 2 rucks on the bench. Completely defeats the purpose of bringing in 2 rucks in the first place
Option three seemed to be our game plan when Cox and Naitanui were together. We were almost like a rugby side, moving the ball up the field through stoppages.
Not so much when you play the short kick and mark game. That's one of the reasons we don't rank high for contested ball. We avoid contested ball situations by kick mark kick mark etc.
I bitched a million times [ prone to exaggeration? Rubbish!! ] last season about kickins.Surely getting a sure fire possession 30-45m out in the middle is better than a 60-70m kick to contest on a flank.Jetta and Hurn could pinpoint a short kick 19 out of 20 times without a doubt! Dont clubs practise plays to achieve this??
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Need better forward line separation. At times we had JK, Darling, Allen and Ryan all going for the same ball. Easy to defend and easy to rebound from. We won the Hawthorn game at the MCG (we weren't great and conditions were horrible) because Darling and JK were able to get separation and have 1 on 1s. Darling kicked 5.
I miss seeing Hurn going the big 1, a very rare occurrence these days.
Thought it was quite rare to not see JK and JD with good separation, one opening up space for the other.
Works well with this two but when we had O Allen as that ruckman/Forward he was getting in the way quite abit.
Once JK hangs up the boots i think a combo of Allen and Darling will proove to be handy for 4-5 years.
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We need to get better at the ground ball and contested ball, got smashed in big games. We cannot just rely on our marking power all the time.
Having Kelly helps as well.
Also taking some more daring kicks helps. Need to get the ball in the hands of Hurn, Jetta, Kelly, Shuey and Yeo more often.
Having Kelly helps as well.
Also taking some more daring kicks helps. Need to get the ball in the hands of Hurn, Jetta, Kelly, Shuey and Yeo more often.
They had a hangover and were the hunted last year. Every team was gunning for them. A brittle combo perhaps? This season the monkey is off the back- Jk+NN are back on track, the TK factor, venables, Capt. Shuey etc. There is more alignment, minus a Rioli hic-cup? 2020 is a good year to win a flag! Just have to steamroll the others and dope the footy gods!(the Vic lever-pullers)
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I don't understand this whole "take more risks when moving the ball out of defense" line of thinking.
Pressure teams like Richmond feed off of forward 50 turnovers. Why would we want to implement tactics that make a turnover in D50 more likely?
Pressure teams like Richmond feed off of forward 50 turnovers. Why would we want to implement tactics that make a turnover in D50 more likely?
Risk taking and predictable ball movement not same same. We were essentially giving up possession of the ball by kicking to the same spot repeatedly last year. The only saving grace was going tight to the boundary. If the ball didn't go out it often came back in, though.
It would be nice to see a few set plays beyond Hurn roosting to the right half back flank or chipping to the pocket where that player then roosts to the right half back flank.
Some of our best footy was piercing the opposition zone through some brave and unpredictable set plays, we just didn't see it enough.
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Agreed 100%
If we can see this, I wonder why there's nothing ever done (except when Jetta gets the ball and takes a chance)
It must just boil down to structure and system and backing your own versus the competition. But it's frustrating and boring to watch. It's also safe given that it leads to a 50:50 contest tight on the boundary or via boundary throw in if we don't mark it.
As with any strategy there is a trade-off. Attacking through the corridor gives more chance of a successful entry to forward 50, but the trade-off is taht it increases the chance of a turnover and facing rebound footy.
Our success in 2018 was largely attributed to possession footy and to everyone knowing their role and playing disciplined footy within that role. It became quite well publicised that we were undefeated when we took 90 marks. That came from controlling the footy and maintaining possession. but in 2019, the downside of that approach seemed more apparent. The trade-off in sticking to your role and not going outside that was less-daring footy. The absolute strength of Hurn was his calm leadership and unflappable demeanor. He really set the example to take a slow and considered systematic approach to our footy. But in 2019, the trade-off in that was probably that sticking to the structures became almost going through the motions. Refusing to make an instinctive judgement on the field and taking the game on - but rather choosing to slow the game down, switch the play, kick across half back and re-evaluate. The systematic approach became too stale.
I suspect the leadership change will be great for this and encourage a slight tilt back to a more daring and attacking brand of footy. I don't think it's a complete revamp of the gameplay - but perhaps a slightly different culture around the execution of it.
Our success in 2018 was largely attributed to possession footy and to everyone knowing their role and playing disciplined footy within that role. It became quite well publicised that we were undefeated when we took 90 marks. That came from controlling the footy and maintaining possession. but in 2019, the downside of that approach seemed more apparent. The trade-off in sticking to your role and not going outside that was less-daring footy. The absolute strength of Hurn was his calm leadership and unflappable demeanor. He really set the example to take a slow and considered systematic approach to our footy. But in 2019, the trade-off in that was probably that sticking to the structures became almost going through the motions. Refusing to make an instinctive judgement on the field and taking the game on - but rather choosing to slow the game down, switch the play, kick across half back and re-evaluate. The systematic approach became too stale.
I suspect the leadership change will be great for this and encourage a slight tilt back to a more daring and attacking brand of footy. I don't think it's a complete revamp of the gameplay - but perhaps a slightly different culture around the execution of it.
It was annoying to watch, but the thinking I think was, kick it to a set up, that prevents the opposition getting quick ball back into the F50, if you turn it over. You make it harder getting clean ball yourself, but also make it harder for them to get it back into F50. If you kick it long to a relatively open corridor, and turn it over, your basically giving them a goal.
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