Gardiner or Ackland?

[maccas_no1]

gardiner sober or gardiner on the turps

Doesnt matter he is an angry phsyco anytime of the day

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

We play you twice next year, may as well pencil us in for 2 victories straight away.

Should be about 7 or 8 victories for us next year, not more. We are slowly on the improve.

There is no way you'll beat Melbourne twice next year...at the MCG. Hell we won 11 out of 12 games there in 2006.

Very wishful thinking for a team thats won 7 games in 2 years.

 

[Jeremias]

There is no way you'll beat Melbourne twice next year...at the MCG. Hell we won 11 out of 12 games there in 2006.

Very wishful thinking for a team thats won 7 games in 2 years.

I bet you didn't think we would beat you last year either...twice

 

[parrot]

I bet you didn't think we would beat you last year either...twice

I was a bit disappointed with the AFL draw. I was hoping they'd let us play the Dee's 3 times next year.

 

[Force]

I'm astounded by the support for Gardiner considering how much of a head case he is. Another Laurence Angwin thats for sure. Good luck to the saints cos you will need it. Alot of time, money and effort will need to be poored into this fella to get him on the right track, and there is no guarantee you can.

I know I'm a carlton supporter and we have just obtained Ackland, but come on look at the events in at least the past 2 years of Gardiners life, alleged mafia connections, drug connections, drink driving accident. The guy is a loose cannon, I would much rather a 24 year old Ackland then a 27 year old has been with too much baggage.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

I bet you didn't think we would beat you last year either...twice

No I didn't think that, but remember it was at Telstra Dome, where we are crap at.

Now do you and Parrot HONESTLY believe you will beat us twice at the MCG...and I mean HONESTLY.

I think you'll win one but certainly not two.

And remember you don't completely own us. We did beat you by 105 points at the MCG in 2004 and won easily in the Princes Park farewell.

 

[Jeremias]

No I didn't think that, but remember it was at Telstra Dome, where we are crap at.

Now do you and Parrot HONESTLY believe you will beat us twice at the MCG...and I mean HONESTLY.

I think you'll win one but certainly not two.

And remember you don't completely own us. We did beat you by 105 points at the MCG in 2004 and won easily in the Princes Park farewell.

Making the ground an excuse for losing is pathetic. We are crap at every venue, yet we still managed to beat you...twice. Blaming the venue is both sad and silly. Carlton completely owned Melbourne in 2006.

Honestly, who knows? We could beat you, like last year, but you could beat us. Nobody knows. However, what I am confident of is that we will put up a fight, we will not be pushed over like you used to. We Blues supporters are merely pointing out that supporters take playing us for granted, and automatically pencil us in for a loss. That was the case a few years ago, but not anymore. Quite simply, supporters of opposition clubs become over-confident and even cocky when playing us, and this can easily come back to bite you in the bum.

So, no, I am not confident of a win. But I am confident that both games will be well fought, and closer than the majority of Carlton haters hope and expect.

 

[Joffaboy]

I'm astounded by the support for Gardiner considering how much of a head case he is. Another Laurence Angwin thats for sure. Good luck to the saints cos you will need it. Alot of time, money and effort will need to be poored into this fella to get him on the right track, and there is no guarantee you can.

I know I'm a carlton supporter and we have just obtained Ackland, but come on look at the events in at least the past 2 years of Gardiners life, alleged mafia connections, drug connections, drink driving accident. The guy is a loose cannon, I would much rather a 24 year old Ackland then a 27 year old has been with too much baggage.

lol - have a look at the results of the poll. About the only ones who voted for Ackland were Carlton fans.

Gardiner, on one leg, p!ssed to the eyeballs, and out of it on some of Angwin and Normans juice would still be a better player than GOP MOR Ackland.

And the no aligned supporters on this board have reinforced that.

Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player

 

[Jeremias]

Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player

Blake? Oh, no-you said good player. Can't be him then.

Enjoy Hammill-body is shot, and he is soft at the ball. How much is he getting paid again?

 

[parrot]

...Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player ...

... who the Saints desperately wanted to keep. BTW, isn't it funny how things change. The Blues now have an extremely young list packed full of raw talent, and being developed by an impressive coaching group. The Saints now have one of the oldest lists in the comp, and are increasingly relying on near-retirement-type players, and have resorted to recruiting a 28 yo ruckman. The Saints should have won a flag 2 years ago but failed because of some extraordinary GT-coaching blunders. For all the media-hype, the Saints failed to deliver and still have a 1 flag / 26 spoon record. Sit back and watch how the Blues go about winning flags - we have all the ingredients i.e raw talent, excellent coaching support, and a famous success culture.

 

[Heisenberg_]

God you are a jerk parrot

............Ackland does have some ability......, he should be serviceable...

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3513607&highlight=ackland#post3513607

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5099706&highlight=ackland#post5099706

And yes I still think Ackland is better than Knobel.

What a suprise, parrot choosing to not respond such a joke is parrot, believing that the blues have the best young talent when the truth is most of them will be battlers at best

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

... who the Saints desperately wanted to keep. BTW, isn't it funny how things change. The Blues now have an extremely young list packed full of raw talent, and being developed by an impressive coaching group. The Saints now have one of the oldest lists in the comp, and are increasingly relying on near-retirement-type players, and have resorted to recruiting a 28 yo ruckman. The Saints should have won a flag 2 years ago but failed because of some extraordinary GT-coaching blunders. For all the media-hype, the Saints failed to deliver and still have a 1 flag / 26 spoon record. Sit back and watch how the Blues go about winning flags - we have all the ingredients i.e raw talent, excellent coaching support, and a famous success culture.

Except you've still got deadwood such as Bannister, Teague, Scotland, Wiggins, Bryan, McLaren and now Ackland who aren't going to take you anywhere soon.

The future may look good but the short to medium term prospects stink for Carlton.

As for you coach...didn't everyone want him out 2 months ago

 

[Jeremias]

What a suprise, parrot choosing to not respond such a joke is parrot, believing that the blues have the best young talent when the truth is most of them will be battlers at best

Battlers at best? Who are you talking about?

 

[Jeremias]

Except you've still got deadwood such as Bannister, Teague, Scotland, Wiggins, Bryan, McLaren and now Ackland who aren't going to take you anywhere soon.

The future may look good but the short to medium term prospects stink for Carlton.

As for you coach...didn't everyone want him out 2 months ago

Deadwood like Scotland?

HAHAHAHAHAHA...I hope you are joking

 

[parrot]

Except you've still got deadwood such as Bannister, Teague, Scotland, Wiggins, Bryan, McLaren and now Ackland who aren't going to take you anywhere soon....:

I admire your efforts, I guess skipping over large amounts of raw talent on the Blues list, made your aware of the reason the Blues beat the Dees so easiliy nowdays, and why most predict the Blues to win flags in the near future. Anyway, in terms of your desperate effort to identify the worst 7 players on our list, you kinda failed, although I agree that Teague, Deluca and possibly McLaren are "dead wood". You inclusion of Scotland however, again reveals your lack of football knowledge. Scotland had an excellent 2006. Wiggins, despite injuries, was extremely impressive on occasions e.g. V Weagles at Subi. Also delighted to have Ackland, and the Saints hierarchy were extremely unhappy to see him go. I suspect part of your frustration is with the Dees perpetual traditional middle-of-the-road status. Can't see anything changing for the next few years. You should be happy though, watching a major Victorian team like Carlton, win some more flags in the near future.

 

[Snuka]

God you are a jerk parrot



http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3513607&highlight=ackland#post3513607

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5099706&highlight=ackland#post5099706

And yes I still think Ackland is better than Knobel.

What have you got to say for yourself Parrot? I'm dying to hear it.

 

[footy_paul]

I guess, it's a natural reaction if you have 16 flags and are the most successful Club in the competition, and have just assembled the most talented younger group in the AFL's recent history. Bit harder if you haven't won a flag for 50 years though and have perpetual middle-of-the-road status.

did you forget about essendons lazy 16 premierships aswell???

 

[parrot]

... believing that the blues have the best young talent ...

You mean like ?

 

[Force]

You mean like ?

I don't think I have seen that one before, that was judd-like, thanks parrot! That's made me look forward to seeing murphy and gibbs on the ball next year so much more!!

 

[Force]

lol - have a look at the results of the poll. About the only ones who voted for Ackland were Carlton fans.

Gardiner, on one leg, p!ssed to the eyeballs, and out of it on some of Angwin and Normans juice would still be a better player than GOP MOR Ackland.

And the no aligned supporters on this board have reinforced that.

Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player

I don't think your club agrees with your thoughts so much :

Blues' Ackland coup stuns Saints
27 October 2006 Herald-Sun
David Hastie

CARLTON will boost its ruck stocks next season by signing out-of-contract St Kilda big man Cain Ackland.

The Blues will use their No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft to secure the 24-year-old after offering him a lucrative three-year deal. While the Saints are yet to announce their delistings, Ackland was part of new coach Ross Lyon's future plans, despite the arrival of former Eagles ruckman Michael Gardiner during trade week.
The Saints offered the 196cm Ackland an improved two-year deal in a bid to retain him, but he rejected the offer earlier this week.
Saints chief executive Archie Fraser said he was surprised by Ackland's decision.
"We were never going to delist Cain," Fraser said.
"When Ross arrived he was keen to keep him. He was keen to make him a part of his structure.
"It all happened in the last three days. The Blues obviously needed a ruckman and Cain decided that his future was at Carlton, not with St Kilda."

 

[Force]

Gardiner, on one leg, p!ssed to the eyeballs, and out of it on some of Angwin and Normans juice would still be a better player than GOP MOR Ackland.

And the no aligned supporters on this board have reinforced that.

No but the results and comparisons of next season for each player will prove my point in leaps and bounds. As I said good luck to St. Kilda in trying to revive Gardinders career you will need every bit of it.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

I admire your efforts, I guess skipping over large amounts of raw talent on the Blues list, made your aware of the reason the Blues beat the Dees so easiliy nowdays, and why most predict the Blues to win flags in the near future. Anyway, in terms of your desperate effort to identify the worst 7 players on our list, you kinda failed, although I agree that Teague, Deluca and possibly McLaren are "dead wood". You inclusion of Scotland however, again reveals your lack of football knowledge. Scotland had an excellent 2006. Wiggins, despite injuries, was extremely impressive on occasions e.g. V Weagles at Subi. Also delighted to have Ackland, and the Saints hierarchy were extremely unhappy to see him go. I suspect part of your frustration is with the Dees perpetual traditional middle-of-the-road status. Can't see anything changing for the next few years. You should be happy though, watching a major Victorian team like Carlton, win some more flags in the near future.

Parrot, I must admit I am absolutely excited about Carlton's young guns, and nothing would give me greater joy than to see a Victorian powerhouse back where they truly belong...top 4 and winning premierships.

I wish Carlton all the health and happiness they so richly deserve.

However what do you think of Melbourne's up and comers who are 23 or under.

Bate
McLean
Jones
Sylvia
Moloney
Davey
Dunn
Bartram
Paul Johnson
Chris Johnson
Rivers
Miller

Now even that would make a Carlton die hard like yourself's mouth water.
The Dees may be middle of the road now, but the future is very rosy at Demonland.

 

[Embers]

I don't think I have seen that one before, that was judd-like, thanks parrot! That's made me look forward to seeing murphy and gibbs on the ball next year so much more!!

Are you for real. My mum could of kicked that goal. Nothing special at all. What a nothing moment that clip is.

 

[Jeremias]

Parrot, I must admit I am absolutely excited about Carlton's young guns, and nothing would give me greater joy than to see a Victorian powerhouse back where they truly belong...top 4 and winning premierships.

I wish Carlton all the health and happiness they so richly deserve.

However what do you think of Melbourne's up and comers who are 23 or under.

Bate
McLean
Jones
Sylvia
Moloney
Davey
Dunn
Bartram
Paul Johnson
Chris Johnson
Rivers
Miller

Now even that would make a Carlton die hard like yourself's mouth water.
The Dees may be middle of the road now, but the future is very rosy at Demonland.

Only a few of them will be excellent-Davey, McLean, Rivers

Bate, Dunn, PJ, Jones will be good to very good

Bartram will be good, nothing more. He is not excellent. He will provide great service, but I think he will be similar to McDonald.

Moloney is a silly footballer. Good kick, good strength, not much else. CJ is average.

Miller is rubbish-very average footballer, does not have a footy brain. Will provide you with 3 or 4 good games per season.

 

[parrot]

Parrot, I must admit I am absolutely excited about Carlton's young guns, and nothing would give me greater joy than to see a Victorian powerhouse back where they truly belong...top 4 and winning premierships.

I wish Carlton all the health and happiness they so richly deserve.

However what do you think of Melbourne's up and comers who are 23 or under.

Bate
McLean
Jones
Sylvia
Moloney
Davey
Dunn
Bartram
Paul Johnson
Chris Johnson
Rivers
Miller

Davey is the talent standout IMO. A long way ahead of the others talent wise. His pace, skill, and awareness is just first-class. The Dees getting him as a Rookie must go down as one of the all time best recruitment decisions. Probably the next best is McLean - who's a good little tough-nut. Rivers had a good first season. Best not comment on Sylvia - I guess every Club is guilty of making those sort of decisions. I'm struggling to think of any other positives unfortunately. I think the Dees will be more than competitive, but the point is there ain't enough talent there for them to take the next step. The Dee's are caught in a middle-of-the-road-no-mans land. I guess it also comes down to expectations of supporters. Many teams are happy to be competitive and consistent, and sneak into the finals on occasions. This will keep the membership levels stable, and the membership contented. The Blues are a bit different - flags are the only thing that count and EVERYTHING else is failure. 2nd or 16th, it makes no difference - both are failures. This philosophy sets different objectives i.e the emphasis on designing a young team to win flags. After this years draft, our talent stocks will be at sufficiently extreme levels to achieve this. The next step is the development of this raw talent by Denis, Ratten, Bradley and co. Exciting times ahead.