Garry Lyon & Tim Watson: "Carlton aren't a big four club anymore."
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It is nice isn't it, just making note that we have done our bit to get the big 4 up the top, 4 out of the last 5 finals series, I would say in the next 2 or 3 years we might see all of them in the finals, although Carlton are a worry.
No idea why they would be considered a big 4. Poor crowds and poor attendance. If they had success that would change.
Who gives a *?
Its about winning premierships.
Its about winning premierships.
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Hawthorn is officially a new member of the Big 4!
Welcome!
Richmond vs Hawthorn should open the season - why do we need to support these minnows?
Welcome!
Richmond vs Hawthorn should open the season - why do we need to support these minnows?
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I'd have to agree. Pounding out Carlton is a good way to kickstart the season but it's getting a bit tiresome.
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It’s like that one year when we opened with Gold Coast. It didn’t feel like the season started until Round 2.
Give us Hawhorn for Round 1!
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Way to get people looking at you in the off season when you don't have anything sensible to say (in general, and about trades and draft)
Everyone is going to pick their own team in that poll.. .. putting port in there is laughable.. look at the decline the past 3 years from 2014 when Adelaide oval was a novelty.
Common sense is Hawthorn has overtaken the Blues.
The AFL need to put the Blues in the same class NM, St Kilda, Dees etc. Fans are sick to death of Carlton opening up the season against Richmond... make it Richmond vs Hawthorn or Richmond vs Collingwood.
Common sense is Hawthorn has overtaken the Blues.
The AFL need to put the Blues in the same class NM, St Kilda, Dees etc. Fans are sick to death of Carlton opening up the season against Richmond... make it Richmond vs Hawthorn or Richmond vs Collingwood.
Richmond will be the biggest club for the first half of 2018.. so many bandwagonrs that weren't there from 1983-2016 will jump back on now but will also drop off as fast if they have a bulldogs of 2017 season.
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some of the s**t lyon spills is borderline stupid
carlton will always be a big 4 club regardless of success.
carlton will always be a big 4 club regardless of success.
Let me guess, you’re a Crows supporter. Surprise. Surprise!
Over the past 10 years
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FInancial - big 3 Hawks, Pies, Eagles
MEmberships - Big 6 HAwks, Pies, Tigers, WCE, Crows, Bombers
crowds - Big 4 Tigers, Pies, Bombers, Crows
On Field - big 3 Hawks, Swans, Cats
FInancial - big 3 Hawks, Pies, Eagles
MEmberships - Big 6 HAwks, Pies, Tigers, WCE, Crows, Bombers
crowds - Big 4 Tigers, Pies, Bombers, Crows
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Look at the memberships, we have more than Adelaide
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How?I can't believe I'm saying this but Xtreme nailed it
Who is a big club if not Richmond?
Let’s not pretend it’s the club that sells its games to the beggar state that has to boil its own tap water.
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well said. Given Collingwoods last 5 years they're not either. None of those 4 are based on playing football. Tigers as you mentioned because of this years flag are but before that, what the * did they do for 3 and a half decades.
Big 4 was never about on-field success, but more around supporter bases & financial stability.
Richmond, Essendon and Collingwood are still in there.
Top 3 for Vic home attendances (focusing this on Vic since it's a concept of the state. It opens up wider if Adelaide, Sydney and West Coast are considered)
All 3 in the top 4 for memberships and are top 3 for attendances by members.
4th spot is up for debate though.
In defence of Blues fans, it's been a tough slog, and a year where their up and about should see them back.
But crowd attendances & membership numbers don't support their claim anymore.
Hawks could make this claim.
But they aren't historically a well backed club.
a three-peat and 4 flags in a decade helps get the punters to sign up and come to games.
But the first year they drop in performance and the numbers don't look great.
in 2016 they were the 3rd highest Vic club for home attendances. In 2017, 7th.
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Big 4 clubs are Richmond Collingwood Essendon Carlton ( don’t you worry about Carlton) Carlton v Collingwood is still the biggest show in town when both up and about
2 big franchises ..West Coast.. Crows
Up and commer Hawthorn.
2 big franchises ..West Coast.. Crows
Up and commer Hawthorn.
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Who cares,what Lyon and Watson say. They are both both hack sensationalists ..
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