I was there. Richmond dominated the crowd.
Carlton and Richmond have always drawn well in round one though with both sides supporters turning up. Only 4 sides in Melbourne can carry marquee games regardless of their form. Carlton can.
Garry Lyon & Tim Watson: "Carlton aren't a big four club anymore."
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Carlton and Richmond have always drawn well in round one though with both sides supporters turning up. Only 4 sides in Melbourne can carry marquee games regardless of their form. Carlton can.
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Yes cool way to try and deflect the issue we are discussing. You think your arguments have more merit because your team, not you, won the cup? Grow up.
I said if any supporters did talk about it then they had little man syndrome.
However media identities are a separate entity altogether - they get paid to write anything and everything. Whatever it takes to get people reading. Maybe he does care, maybe he doesn't. Do you honestly think the rank and file of Melbourne give a s**t that they aren't in some self-appointed Big 4 club?
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Why are Richmond fans so obsessed with crap like this?
I dont think most Carlton fans give a damn, we've known our place since our multiple spoonerisation
I dont think most Carlton fans give a damn, we've known our place since our multiple spoonerisation
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Why?
Whenever you meet a West Coast supporter they're just like every other Western Australian - chip on the shoulder, paranoid about the Eastern states. There's nothing qualitatively different about being from WA and supporting the WA clubs.
Whereas Richmond fans are a particular sort of crazy.
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You collect data and have manipulated it for years to cure your insecurities.
Wayyyyy too ironic coming from you.
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Comments from Garry Lyon & Tim Watson..................enough said really.
The Big 4 hasn't really existed since the Mid 2000's. Time we all moved on and enjoyed a truly NATIONAL Competition.
Go Blues!!
The Big 4 hasn't really existed since the Mid 2000's. Time we all moved on and enjoyed a truly NATIONAL Competition.
Go Blues!!
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You mean when Carlton started to go really s**t and you saw that supporter base drop off quicker than the balls on a thirteen year old who just found out what puberty is?
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We've got the big one 
From my experience it's
Collingwood
Daylight
Essendon
Carlton
Richmond
From my experience it's
Collingwood
Daylight
Essendon
Carlton
Richmond
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Ive done no such thing.
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I agree.
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You must live in house commission. Not that there's anything wrong with that.We've got the big one
From my experience it's
Collingwood
Daylight
Essendon
Carlton
Richmond
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There's only one: Richmond.
Anyone who was awake during the recent finals series would know that.
The next tier is still Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton in that order.
Geelong is next, then daylight. Then the rest. Then GWS...
Anyone who was awake during the recent finals series would know that.
The next tier is still Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton in that order.
Geelong is next, then daylight. Then the rest. Then GWS...
Very true.
Slightly different though as nobody has ever felt sorry for 'long suffering Carlton fans' and nobody will wax lyrical about how great it is to see them 'back on top'.
They are more like a disgraced politician.
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i was looking for the Blues but they were not there !So i didn't vote ..
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They're a small rabble with fair weather supporters ready to pounce when their day comes.. if ever
The afl is too reliant on markets nationwide for there to be a big 4
Sydney adelaide west coast and they would like Brisbane to be up there with say Collingwood Essendon maybe Richmond
Carlton have dropped the ball
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Sydney adelaide west coast and they would like Brisbane to be up there with say Collingwood Essendon maybe Richmond
Carlton have dropped the ball
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If Collingwood can return to the top of the table, Richmond stay where they are and Essendon continue to improve and Carlton start winning, the rest of the competition wont know what bloody hit them.
In all honesty an up and about Collingwood vs an up and about Richmond .. the MCG isn't big enough.
In all honesty an up and about Collingwood vs an up and about Richmond .. the MCG isn't big enough.
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News flash, this is not 1985. There’s not a big 4 anymore.
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How is Melbourne in that poll.
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each and every club is vital to the competition as a whole
but if i was forced to break it down...
power clubs:
west coast
sydney
collingwood
richmond
hawthorn
"big" clubs:
adelaide
essendon
geelong
port adelaide
making up the 18:
carlton
fremantle
melbourne
western bulldogs
st. kilda
north melbourne
vital franchises for tv rights:
bears
gc17
gw$
of the 'big' clubs, you could definitely mount a case for them all being 'power' clubs by dint of memberships and success etc. - yet ultimately i wouldn't have them above the others, and hawthorn if they go through a decade or three of lack of dominance could just as easily slip into the 'making up the 18' mob
of the 'making up the 18', the only clubs that would stand any chance of pushing into the 'big' echelon, let alone power, in the short to medium term would be carlton and freo by dint of the sizes of their membership, historic success / failure, and future revenue from new stadia
and i say that as a long-suffering demon who has watched his club flounder from one disaster to another yet still survive - primarily due to historical legacy i suspect
once upon a time we were a power club; these things used to adjust and shift over periods of decades but i suspect it's more indeterminate than that now, and that two or three years of failure could easily see a club slip up or down this sort of sliding scale
the only clubs i personally see as permanent 'powers' within the competition are the top four and maybe the crows, but is their 'power' status still hurt by the sanfl interference / dominance?
it's all irrelevant, of course, for as long as there is value in the broadcast rights the competition requires 18 clubs
but if i was forced to break it down...
power clubs:
west coast
sydney
collingwood
richmond
hawthorn
"big" clubs:
adelaide
essendon
geelong
port adelaide
making up the 18:
carlton
fremantle
melbourne
western bulldogs
st. kilda
north melbourne
vital franchises for tv rights:
bears
gc17
gw$
of the 'big' clubs, you could definitely mount a case for them all being 'power' clubs by dint of memberships and success etc. - yet ultimately i wouldn't have them above the others, and hawthorn if they go through a decade or three of lack of dominance could just as easily slip into the 'making up the 18' mob
of the 'making up the 18', the only clubs that would stand any chance of pushing into the 'big' echelon, let alone power, in the short to medium term would be carlton and freo by dint of the sizes of their membership, historic success / failure, and future revenue from new stadia
and i say that as a long-suffering demon who has watched his club flounder from one disaster to another yet still survive - primarily due to historical legacy i suspect
once upon a time we were a power club; these things used to adjust and shift over periods of decades but i suspect it's more indeterminate than that now, and that two or three years of failure could easily see a club slip up or down this sort of sliding scale
the only clubs i personally see as permanent 'powers' within the competition are the top four and maybe the crows, but is their 'power' status still hurt by the sanfl interference / dominance?
it's all irrelevant, of course, for as long as there is value in the broadcast rights the competition requires 18 clubs
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Lol, time to merge with the Giants I guess...
Yep. Big 4 was a VFL concept, those days are done.
Essendon, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Richmond, both WA teams all have really strong supporter bases. Clubs like Geelong not far behind. Carlton has a strong supporter base that will liven up if they start being more successful. It would probably take a couple of generations to actually go backwards from that perspective.
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